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bohemianway Oldtimer Offline Posts: 644 Location: Andover, MN Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Ballard #3PG is this one? Jun 4^th, 2016 at 4:21pm	Print Post
	It is SN 34221 in .22RF , 26" 1/2 Oct., 0.775 just ahead of tulip, 0.625 at muzzle, scalloped receiver. Charles


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard #3PG is this one? Reply #1 - Jun 4^th, 2016 at 5:38pm	Print Post
	It sure looks like one! If the buttplate, wood, barrel, etc. all have serial numbers matching the receiver, I'd say you have one of the rare #3 PG Ballards. Very neat gun!

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.22Hepburn Oldtimer Offline Posts: 803 Location: Pennsylvania Joined: Feb 18^th, 2008	Re: Ballard #3PG is this one? Reply #2 - Jun 4^th, 2016 at 8:56pm	Print Post
	There ya go, a 3PG !


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard #3PG is this one? Reply #3 - Jun 4^th, 2016 at 10:21pm	Print Post
	.22Hepburn wrote on Jun 4^th, 2016 at 8:56pm: There ya go, a 3PG ! This is a perfect example of what's great about the forum interaction. Talk about what might have been, or was, and somebody posts a picture of it! Nice to see somebody here owns one of these rare guns!

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bohemianway Oldtimer Offline Posts: 644 Location: Andover, MN Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Ballard #3PG is this one? Reply #4 - Jun 4^th, 2016 at 11:45pm	Print Post
	It is a grey gun but I make it a point to take it out annually and run a box of .22LR through it. Luckily it is a very late gun (designed for Long Rifle) and will shoot soda can accuracy at 50 yds even though the bore looks similar to the outside. Back in the early 1990's it walked through a small show in Wisconsin and no one else was interested (I was feigning disinterest) and paid $390 ($650 in 2016 dollars) which was relatively high at the time but it was to cute to pass up and I was afraid they were going to walk. Charles


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Ballard #3PG is this one? Reply #5 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 6:11pm	Print Post
	Very nice. Bet you could double you money today. Think the #3F & #3PG are about the best balanced looking of all rifles. They just seem to fit together perfectly to the eye (mine, anyway). Thanks for posting.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard #3PG is this one? Reply #6 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 6:51pm	Print Post
	I've owned a couple #3F's and still have a nice one. But I never have had the opportunity to find or purchase a #3PG.

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Ballard #3PG is this one? Reply #7 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 8:25pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 6:51pm: I've owned a couple #3F's and still have a nice one. But I never have had the opportunity to find or purchase a #3PG. So is the buttplate the only difference between the two? I have a 3F, but hate the prong buttplate, as I hate ALL prong buttplates, except for wall-hanging purposes. Mine, by the way, readily accepts LR though chambered for Long, which I think is not uncommon.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard #3PG is this one? Reply #8 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:14pm	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 8:25pm: marlinguy wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 6:51pm: I've owned a couple #3F's and still have a nice one. But I never have had the opportunity to find or purchase a #3PG. So is the buttplate the only difference between the two? I have a 3F, but hate the prong buttplate, as I hate ALL prong buttplates, except for wall-hanging purposes. Mine, by the way, readily accepts LR though chambered for Long, which I think is not uncommon. Yes, in standard configuration the buttplate is the only difference. The 3F often came ordered with special sights, checkering on the buttstock, and occasionally forearm too; and occasionally upgraded wood. LR ammo almost always fits in guns chambered for .22 Long.

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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Ballard #3PG is this one? Reply #9 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:52pm	Print Post
	Charles - what is a "grey gun"? Don't know the term.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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bohemianway Oldtimer Offline Posts: 644 Location: Andover, MN Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Ballard #3PG is this one? Reply #10 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 10:47pm	Print Post
	It's just a term I use to describe a gun that has no/little finish but functions properly. Or think of grey guns as those in a condition that "high end collectors" would not have interest in. Not like a "grey market" tractor which is a knock off.


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Ballard #3PG is this one? Reply #11 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 10:52pm	Print Post
	SSShooter wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:52pm: Charles - what is a "grey gun"? Don't know the term. It's a tactful way of saying the original finish has gone the way of all flesh, replaced by a form of oxide (I think) commonly called "patina," which itself has a multitude of meanings; the implication is smooth, uniform, metal without noticeable pitting, which I find not unattractive (as a "brown" gun would be), and somewhat resembles a French grey finish.


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Ballard #3PG is this one? Reply #12 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 2:50pm	Print Post
	Here's another "grey gun," and evidence, probably, that someone else disliked prong buttplates as much as I. It's a #3 "something"--.22LR, with matching barrel & receiver, but not, alas, stocks. However, Marlin did make special order PG 3s with SG plates, as there's one in Dutcher's book. Even had I been able to find another one of those, it's doubtful I could have paid the tariff, nor would I feel comfortable about hunting with it, as I have with this one, extensively. Another oddity: forged action, rather than cast. I added the stud for sling hooks, same kind listed in both Winchester & Stevens catalogs, because a hunting rifle without a sling is as much of a nuisance as a buttplate with horns. PS--The lever doesn't droop, it breeches so tightly after being relined that I leave it in this position to minimize strain on the link.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard #3PG is this one? Reply #13 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 6:43pm	Print Post
	Many Ballard and Marlin rifles built for export to England were equipped with the shotgun buttplates. Seems the British didn't care for either Swiss or Crescent style buttplates. I've owned a fair number of Marlin rifles with British proof marks, and in every case they were shotgun buttplates.

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Ballard #3PG is this one? Reply #14 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 8:01pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 6:43pm: ...Seems the British didn't care for either Swiss or Crescent style buttplates... Disliked being jabbed in the arm or chest, or seeing guns leaned up against something topple over? I need to make a buying trip to the Old Country.


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