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sr4440 Participating Member Offline Posts: 12 Joined: Feb 29^th, 2016	Winchester 1885 with Pope barrel Mar 1^st, 2016 at 3:27pm	Print Post
	Hi, I'm new to your bulletin board. I've been reading it quite a while. I've always been interested in the schuetzen type of shooting. I recently obtained a Win. 1885 with a Pope barrel and thought it's time to quit sitting on the fence. It's a high wall with a Pope 32-40 barrel. It looks pretty good but not perfect by any means. Fooled around with it a bit yesterday an I was impressed with how well it shot with just the junk I had laying around. Ton of questions. To get the most of the old girl I think I'm going to need a breech seater, and a tapered bullet mould. Think I need a longer heavier bullet I'm probably a contender for the world's worst bullet caster. Does anyone sell tapered bullets? Good place for a mould? I saw a couple on CPA Rifle's website. I plan on shooting black powder but am certainly open to suggestions. All input greatly appreciated. Thanks Scott


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chawk Full Member Offline Posts: 217 Location: Virginia Joined: Jan 29^th, 2014	Re: Winchester 1885 with Pope barrel Reply #1 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 3:41pm	Print Post
	Hi Scott, Welcome to the forum. 1) We would love to see some pics. 2) If you give the guys here some more specifics on the rifle then I am sure they would be able to start you off in the right direction. I'm talking twist rate, bore diameter, intended type of shooting, etc...


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sr4440 Participating Member Offline Posts: 12 Joined: Feb 29^th, 2016	Re: Winchester 1885 with Pope barrel Reply #2 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 4:00pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the reply. Not sure of the twist, obviously a gain twist. Has some Pope heiroglyphics under the forearm. 21 1.41 362 I'm guessing a start of 1 in 21 and finishing at 1 in 14...just guessing Bore is .322/.323 I'd like to try breech seating and black powder. All new to me


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Ciao998 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 263 Location: Kennewick, WA Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: Winchester 1885 with Pope barrel Reply #3 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 6:07pm	Print Post
	Bad caster , well shoot, you don't need the rifle then, just send it along to me I'll make sure it gets good bullets 😇. What would shipping to 99337 cost? Just jokin, sounds like something every single person here would be very interested in seeing pictures of 😃 I'll even post me for ya if ya send me to my e-mail slwlude@yahoo.com And congrats on your find, and welcome to the forum, you're a lucky person John


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jfeldman ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1120 Location: Imperial Beach, Ca Joined: Nov 5^th, 2005	Re: Winchester 1885 with Pope barrel Reply #4 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 7:51pm	Print Post
	Hi Scott - there is a group buy going on right now for tapered bullet moulds, either brass or aluminum for a very good price in your choice of three different sizes. The weight is about 185 grains +/-. See the thread about 4 or five down from yours. Frankeore is the contact. Welcome to the forum! Regards, Joe


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Quarter_Bore Oldtimer Offline Posts: 817 Location: Joined: Dec 16^th, 2005	Re: Winchester 1885 with Pope barrel Reply #5 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 7:57pm	Print Post
	Just to bring up a fine point: Due to the flat bottomed rifling Pope barrels need to be measured across the points(not the middle of the grooves) I think you'll find the max. groove diameter to be .327 or so. You will need a bullet at least that diameter.


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Winchester 1885 with Pope barrel Reply #6 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:35pm	Print Post
	sr4440 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 4:00pm: Thanks for the reply. Not sure of the twist, obviously a gain twist. Has some Pope heiroglyphics under the forearm. 21 1.41 362 I'm guessing a start of 1 in 21 and finishing at 1 in 14...just guessing Bore is .322/.323 I'd like to try breech seating and black powder. All new to me Ron Smith and I figured out that the twist starts at 21 and the ratio is 1.41. Mine is .33 and marked the same, but it starts at 27. 362 is your barrel number.

	"some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence
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sr4440 Participating Member Offline Posts: 12 Joined: Feb 29^th, 2016	Re: Winchester 1885 with Pope barrel Reply #7 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 6:12am	Print Post
	Thanks everyone for the replies I will carefully re-measure the 2 bullets I slugged the bore with and then see about getting in the the mould group buy. I will try and put on a picture or two later.....patience...not a great computer guy either Thanks Scott


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craigd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2058 Location: midwest Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2009	Re: Winchester 1885 with Pope barrel Reply #8 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 10:30am	Print Post
	There is also an explanation of the Pope barrel numbers in the LaBounty Rifling book. Congrats on the new rifle.


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Winchester 1885 with Pope barrel Reply #9 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 2:28pm	Print Post
	craigd wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 10:30am: There is also an explanation of the Pope barrel numbers in the LaBounty Rifling book. Congrats on the new rifle. Do you have a brief summary of how to use Pope's ratio to determine the final twist?

	"some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence
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sr4440 Participating Member Offline Posts: 12 Joined: Feb 29^th, 2016	Re: Winchester 1885 with Pope barrel Reply #10 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 2:34pm	Print Post
	Hoping to put up a few pictures. Bear with me I'm computer challenged

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sr4440 Participating Member Offline Posts: 12 Joined: Feb 29^th, 2016	Re: Winchester 1885 with Pope barrel Reply #11 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 2:44pm	Print Post
	trying again

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sr4440 Participating Member Offline Posts: 12 Joined: Feb 29^th, 2016	Re: Winchester 1885 with Pope barrel Reply #12 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 2:59pm	Print Post
	Can I quit now?... kids are laughing at me


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Premod70 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 873 Location: North Carolina Joined: Jan 16^th, 2016	Re: Winchester 1885 with Pope barrel Reply #13 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 3:23pm	Print Post
	Congratulations on one fine rifle.


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chawk Full Member Offline Posts: 217 Location: Virginia Joined: Jan 29^th, 2014	Re: Winchester 1885 with Pope barrel Reply #14 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 4:38pm	Print Post
	That is a beautiful old rifle. I bet it will shoot lights out too. Thanks for the pics.


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