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Tallow in B.P. lube
Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:33pm
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On page 2 of lube formulas..SPG cautions against using tallow that hasn't been purged of salt as a lube ingredient.  Back in the 1990's, I had a write up in the CBA Journal about salt in tallow...repeated melting in pure distilled water didn't completly remove all traces of salt.  How would one completly purge tallow of salt?  At the time of article, I was mainly concerned with tallow in smokeless loads..which are not normally cleaned with a water-based cleaner.  I have been mixing up some experimental batches of B.P. lube using mutton tallow rendered from kidney fat..along with Beeswax, Baywax, castor oil & Lanolin.  If cleaning after use of B.P. with a water-based solvent..is there any concern of salt in the tallow?  Thanks.
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 25th, 2016 at 5:10am
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you are using tallow.
some people use cooking fat with salt added in the process and call it tallow, which it is not
whether there is any natural salt in tallow is hard to say.
pure tallow will keep unrefrigerated.
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Reply #2 - Feb 25th, 2016 at 5:41am
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Tallow is a generic name for rendered animal fat.  It can be made from many kinds of fat and subject to processing that varies from home stove top to industrial .

You should assume it does have some salt content unless proven otherwise.  We used to load Tallow out of rail tank cars into ships deep tanks for export. My area it all came from pork and poultry plants. 

We kept one quart sample jars to determine quality as loaded in case of a claim. After the ship discharged no claim thrown away. Kept a lot of it for home shop jobs, bullet lube and any place you would use grease .  One jar I painted on boat trailer axle and springs, rusted them up in short order. Local chemist that did a lot of cargo testing work gave me the scoop and offered to test any I wanted to use for gun work. Was amazed how much it varied . Did not charge me for the test, if you had to pay it would be cost prohibitive

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Reply #3 - Feb 25th, 2016 at 3:09pm
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boats,
that stuff was not true tallow.
true tallow is from the kidney fat (suet) of sheep, cattle or deer.
it is a far superior product for lube than the stuff you loaded on ships, which is more correctly called lard.
tallow will not vary much .
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Reply #4 - Feb 25th, 2016 at 6:05pm
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You are technically correct, but all rendered animal fat is commonly called tallow. One of the reasons we kept samples was potential claims over grades and sources. Export documents, letters of credit all called it tallow and refrenced the sample held by independent chemist .  Customs duties commonly varry according to the type so it needs to be specifically identified . When I worked in Australia all the tallow we loaded was mutton or beef origin.

Point being unless you have analysis the home lube maker really has no idea what the salt content is. Even knowing the source the home render methods can't guarantee purity.

As a side note we still load a lot of tallow . Now in intermodal ISO Tank containers, moved on pure container ships. Shipper loads at his facility reciever unloads at his. We don't touch the cargo, just the container and don't pay claims. My source of good stuff is gone.

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Re: Tallow in B.P. lube
Reply #5 - Feb 25th, 2016 at 6:54pm
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On page 2 of lube formulas..SPG cautions against using tallow that hasn't been purged of salt as a lube ingredient.  Back in the 1990's, I had a write up in the CBA Journal about salt in tallow...repeated melting in pure distilled water didn't completly remove all traces of salt.
 

How did you determine how much you removed, how much was left, and how much was there to begin with?
  
  Bruce is correct about any tallow that we would use in bullet lube or cooking. I use 50% beef tallow from kidney fat in my lube with no problems.
  As far as purging honey from beeswax; honey will not and can not disolve in beeswax.
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Reply #6 - Feb 25th, 2016 at 8:28pm
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All animals like salt licks, and hunting around a salt lick is an old trick to improve your chances for success, and it's funny what animals you'll see licking salt blocks placed out in a field.
Animals (including humans) require a certain amount of salt.
  

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Reply #7 - Feb 25th, 2016 at 9:11pm
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Back in 2010, I stumbled on a company that sold 'pure white' mutton (lamb) tallow and stocked up.  Now I see they are selling beef tallow and lamb if your interested ...
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(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) ($11.00 for 2 lbs) Smiley

PS:  They are the only company that I know of in the US that sells it and has it in stock ... for a reasonable price
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Reply #8 - Feb 26th, 2016 at 8:06am
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I would not worry about tallow with slight salt content in BP lubes. Well cleaned with water after shooting, cleaned again next day, then oiled will preserve the bore. 

Smokeless powder cleaned with oil only don't think I would use it.

That's just me, someone else may see it different.

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Re: Tallow in B.P. lube
Reply #9 - Feb 27th, 2016 at 12:22am
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I have been thinking about this for a while before the thread was started.  I'm sure this idea is a bit out there and might not even work but I thought I'd run it by you all here before I attempt it.

Has anyone tried to use Imperial Die Wax or Hornady's Unique Lube as bullet lube?  I have a recipe for the Hornady lube, it is a case lube but it does work very well and seems to work well under high pressures as it works great when resizing cases.  It is pretty cheap make too.  It is pretty hard but I thought about adding some lanolin to soften it up a bit.

Like to hear anyone else's thoughts.
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 27th, 2016 at 2:00pm
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Eric, that's high-ish friction. Not high pressure. 
As to Unique in bullet lube, you may look up the MSDS on the internet and find if there are any promising ingredients in it for your use. 
It is, far and away my favorite case lube- and for that it's real cheap!
  
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