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Bonner Full Member Offline Posts: 135 Location: middle georgia Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2015	Help with steven's Numbers Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:13pm	Print Post
	I bought this rifle as a 44-1/2 in 32-40 with a 28" barrel with a # 1 on the barrel. the frame is marked with the letter 45, O, and ex. the serial # is 1341, About what year was this rifle made. Thanks for any info. Bonner


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MAD MIKE Oldtimer Offline Posts: 655 Location: So Cal Joined: Oct 31^st, 2006	Re: Help with steven's Numbers Reply #1 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:25pm	Print Post
	Bonner, Probably 1903-1904. Looks like a nice gun, how about a full length photo. ...MIKE...


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Help with steven's Numbers Reply #2 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 1:18am	Print Post
	Yah, I'd say 1904, too. Nobody can know for certain because the factory records were all destroyed after WW1.

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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2825 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Help with steven's Numbers Reply #3 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 2:22am	Print Post
	The 45 means that it was a Model Number 45 using a 44 1/2 action. Number 45 was the first step above the Number 44, the bare bones rifle. The EX meant that is was a special order rifle with something extra. Nobody knows about the O or 0, but almost all the Stevens Ideal or 44 1/2 rifles seem to have such a mark. #1 on the barrel is barrel weight, with 1 being the lightest. I think it is later than 1904, but not much later. Maybe 1906.


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Bonner Full Member Offline Posts: 135 Location: middle georgia Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2015	Re: Help with steven's Numbers Reply #4 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 12:29pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the info gentlemen, the ex was the main thing I was looking for, this has helped me to understand why this rifle is built the way it is. Mad mike here are the photos. Thanks again. Bonner


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16004 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Help with steven's Numbers Reply #5 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 12:51pm	Print Post
	Full octagon barrels are pretty rare on old Stevens single shots! That's a great looking gun!

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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1010 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Help with steven's Numbers Reply #6 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 2:25pm	Print Post
	That's not the buttstock or butt plate that would be on a 45 Stevens, evidently it's been restocked. Ledball


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Help with steven's Numbers Reply #7 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 3:05pm	Print Post
	Good catch, leadball. Looks like maybe a buttstock and plate for a Model 51.

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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Help with steven's Numbers Reply #8 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 5:29pm	Print Post
	Another higher-grade part not normally seen on a Model 45 is your lever. And while its presence could be part of the "EX" marking, the lever insert, if ordered, would normally be of wood, not the bone or ivory yours appears to be. In short, I'm agreeing that some non-factory customization is also evident. Bill Lawrence


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Bonner Full Member Offline Posts: 135 Location: middle georgia Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2015	Re: Help with steven's Numbers Reply #9 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 6:59pm	Print Post
	Bill, My thought also, I really liked the wood, lever, and the bone insert. the barrel also got my attention, had never seen a full octagon barrel on a 45 model. probably paid the premium for it, But I didn't have to wait a year or so to have it made and I know no computer was used to build this one . Bonner


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shovel80 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 896 Location: Sonora,CA Joined: Jun 6^th, 2011	Re: Help with steven's Numbers Reply #10 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 7:50pm	Print Post
	Very Nice Rifle!! Terry

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MAD MIKE Oldtimer Offline Posts: 655 Location: So Cal Joined: Oct 31^st, 2006	Re: Help with steven's Numbers Reply #11 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:41pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the photos, beautiful rifle. ...MIKE...


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2825 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Help with steven's Numbers Reply #12 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 7:37pm	Print Post
	That barrel is almost certainly part of the EX order, but it is far heavier than any #1 that I have encountered. The other parts may also have been part of the EX order. How about the scope blocks? The original blocks on the only fancy 44 1/2 that I have used had a longer rear block, but were the same basic dimensions as our standard blocks today.


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Bonner Full Member Offline Posts: 135 Location: middle georgia Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2015	Re: Help with steven's Numbers Reply #13 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:24pm	Print Post
	Waterman, You are right about the barrel weight, the 1902 # 50 catalog says the 28" length barrel should weight 4 #, This # 1 weight in at Seven #'s . the rear scope mount from front to back is 1.234, the front is 0.894 front to back. Bonner


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7247 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Help with steven's Numbers Reply #14 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:36pm	Print Post
	I think this rifle is a excellently done custom job. The butt plate is a #4, a 45 would have had a #3 as the upgraded butt stock, the #2 was standard and I think the screws are closer together than a factory rifle. The comb also looks a little thick. Bonner, could we get pictures of the barrel markings? I seem to remember, that if a rifle came factory, with scope blocks, it had the Stevens markings on the adjacent flat, to the top one. If the blocks have anything but a divot on them, they would be later. The lyman/Unertl have a crescent cut, sometimes with the divot (Winchester style) on the opposing side. All marking will be of value in trying to idenafy it. Frank

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