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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Rifle Range Closure Appeal Denied Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 6:17pm	Print Post
	Sorry to hear that Dave.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Rifle Range Closure Appeal Denied Reply #1 - Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 6:33pm	Print Post
	Any bitchy neighbors by Ron's farm?

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rkaires Frequent Elocutionist Offline No Stronger Bond Posts: 1630 Location: Dingmans Ferry, PA Joined: Oct 26^th, 2012	Re: Rifle Range Closure Appeal Denied Reply #2 - Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 7:16pm	Print Post
	That is bad news!

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dave_j Full Member Offline Posts: 246 Location: Nevada desert Joined: Jul 12^th, 2005	Re: Rifle Range Closure Appeal Denied Reply #3 - Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 8:33pm	Print Post
	too bad about the range but knowing how you Canadians are you will find some way. see you at Nine Mile Falls dave

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jfeldman ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1079 Location: Imperial Beach, Ca Joined: Nov 5^th, 2005	Re: Rifle Range Closure Appeal Denied Reply #4 - Feb 4^th, 2016 at 12:00am	Print Post
	Really sorry to hear that, Dave. Hope you can find a "work around" and get it open again. Regards, Joe


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16004 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Rifle Range Closure Appeal Denied Reply #5 - Feb 4^th, 2016 at 10:05am	Print Post
	This situation irritates and aggravates me! Seems a range that was existing prior to development should be protected, and the people who build there shouldn't be allowed to close it down. What a shame.

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cuslog Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 263 Location: Calgary, Alberta Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Rifle Range Closure Appeal Denied Reply #6 - Feb 4^th, 2016 at 11:33am	Print Post
	Sorry to hear of the closure. In the 1980's, I was a member of the Prince Albert Sask. Pistol & Rifle Club. They had a similar situation as the City kind of grew up around their range. The Club worked with the Province on the issue and was able to negotiate a deal where the Province gave the Club a considerable chunk of Crown land (along with the Timber Rights). I forget how much land but it was enough that they built a 1000 yd. range, a 500M silhouette range and a pistol range. The Club logged the land, the Timber sales paid for a lot of the building they did. This was about 20 miles out of town, surrounded by Crown land where there should be no future development. Maybe your Club could follow a similar path ?


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cuslog Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 263 Location: Calgary, Alberta Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Rifle Range Closure Appeal Denied Reply #7 - Feb 4^th, 2016 at 1:06pm	Print Post
	Wow, that really sucks. Sounds like your County is ruled by Anti-firearm people. Seems kind of out of place for Spruce Grove, Alberta. You'd expect that kind of resistance in Vancouver, on the Left Coast, not Spruce Grove. You'd think they would want at least one "safe" place where people could go to shoot, rather than people going off willy nilly into the bush to hang a target on a tree and bang away at it.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11420 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Rifle Range Closure Appeal Denied Reply #8 - Feb 4^th, 2016 at 2:39pm	Print Post
	Dave, you and the others at your club have my sympathy. To bad Colleen is not into politics. Joe.

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Rifle Range Closure Appeal Denied Reply #9 - Feb 4^th, 2016 at 2:52pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Feb 4^th, 2016 at 2:39pm: Dave, you and the others at your club have my sympathy. To bad Colleen is not into politics. Joe. Good point, Joe. Well-spoken women can be much more effective as advocates in many situations, and cause more public embarrassment to political "entities" than men often are able to.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Rifle Range Closure Appeal Denied Reply #10 - Feb 4^th, 2016 at 3:24pm	Print Post
	Schuetzendave wrote on Feb 4^th, 2016 at 11:56am: The County over the last couple of year's forced the range to invest over $600,000 to build safer berms. The rear berms were 80 feet in height even though the Canadian Firearms Officer said regulated range standards only required 26 foot high berms. The County also forced the range to conduct noise monitoring with equipment and locations they specified. This cost the range $72,000. The range never broke the noise bylaw so the County closed the range based on intermittent noise. I believe the County was trying to force us into bankruptcy to avoid a legal challenge since they approved residential development without advising the neighbours of these developments. Legally we could only intervene before the residential development occurred but we were never notified. We now have to sue the County for our $5 million dollar development that has been lost since the County never followed Municipal regulations for residential development. Even if we win the final legal battle we may not find another location and it would take over five years to redevelop our range. The City of Edmonton and the RCMP no longer have training facilities since they used this range and they cannot move to any other locations. Many Canadian soldiers who went to Afganistan trained at this range since the military did not have adequate small arms training. Politicians have learned if you cannot control firearms then eliminate the ability for anybody to use them. You guys have probably already thought of this: take this list to attorneys trying to find a firm that will take the case on contingency. It they believe there is a solid case, some good attorney will take it and run. Meeting all those requirements flowed by a arbitrary and capricious closure is asinine.

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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2256 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: Rifle Range Closure Appeal Denied Reply #11 - Feb 4^th, 2016 at 5:09pm	Print Post
	That's terrible Dave. The club I shoot at most is actively searching for new property as the writing is on the wall. We have houses being develped all around. We've been there since the 1950's and are also where the police come to train. We have been doing the noise testing too. Seems like we are going down the same road. I'm luckier than some as I have a "backup" membership at another range nearby. Chris.


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CajunRebel Oldtimer Offline Posts: 690 Location: Alexandria, VA Joined: Nov 18^th, 2007	Re: Rifle Range Closure Appeal Denied Reply #12 - Feb 4^th, 2016 at 7:18pm	Print Post
	Can you convert the shooting range into a pig farm?


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Rifle Range Closure Appeal Denied Reply #13 - Feb 5^th, 2016 at 2:16am	Print Post
	either hogs or chickens. They will wish the range was back

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CajunRebel Oldtimer Offline Posts: 690 Location: Alexandria, VA Joined: Nov 18^th, 2007	Re: Rifle Range Closure Appeal Denied Reply #14 - Feb 5^th, 2016 at 9:24am	Print Post
	Schuetzenmiester wrote on Feb 5^th, 2016 at 2:16am: either hogs or chickens. They will wish the range was back Why be selfish? Convert it to both, and use fans to ensure air flow. Geez, talk about being screwed. How about a GoFund lawsuit to the highest court.


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