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Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:52am
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I am having my troubled .222 R rebored by JES to .357 maximum.  Any loading advice?
Had to buy Jamison brass as nothing else available.  I read it splits easily.  Should I anneal it before I first load it?
Now to make it harder I am in the communist state of CA.  Need to hunt with unleaded.  Other than Barnes handgun bullets does anyone else make a Cu slug?
I thought about using the 180 grain barnes TTSX, but not sure it would stabilize and or expand.  It needs 1800 fps to reliable open. Not sure of JES twist for .35 caliber.  Barnes needs a 1 in 12 twist.

Thoughts? (other than leave CA) Sad

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Reply #1 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 11:12am
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Nuf said?

  
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Reply #2 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 11:41am
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I have a lot of experiance with the Max but, not with 180's. My stuff is with 147 gr GC H&G bullet and with 208 gr GC Lyman. Both using WC820 and fairly hot loads. If you have WC820, you could use the 208 gr data with a 180 gr bullet.

There will be no problem getting 2000 fps with a 180 gr bullet. I got 2290 fps with the 147 and 1830, with the 208 gr. My rifle has a 20 twist and I can't imagine a 180 gr copper bullet needing more than a 16-18 twist to stabilize it. How long is the 180?

If you give me your Email, I can send you some data off of Load Data.com, lots of jacketed stuff.

THIS, ALL ASSUMING YOUR RIFLE IS STRONG ENOUGH TO TAKE 357 MAX CHARGES

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Reply #3 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 2:12am
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desert-dude wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 11:12am:
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Uh did you not notice that while they do list it they also show it as "UNAVAILABLE, LIMITED PRODUCTION"?

I have been looking for some myself and Midway just doen't have it.
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 4:09am
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Mile Bellm has been promoting the Max heavily on his  Contender/Encore business site.

I got pretty good results from a 12" Contender barrel with 180 grain jacketed bullets using Lil'Gun powder.  In the end, however, I abandoned the Max in the Contender as being too much for the action.   Still have a High Wall project in the safe.

Be aware that the SAAMI reamer dimensions call for a reamer with an undersize pilot.  An artifact of the days when it was a revolver cartridge.  Result is that off-center chambers are more the rule than the exception.  It has been observed that the poor accuracy of T/C factory barrels is largely traceable to this error.  You need either a custom reamer, or one with a loose pilot bushing.   Another fault with the SAAMI chamber is that it has a poor throat.  Bellm makes much of this on his site, and he's right.    

Jamison brass is as good as anything else made, possible exception allowable for Norma.  I did not know, however, that Jamison had ever run Max brass.  My stash is Remington.
  

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Reply #5 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 11:24am
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ref Midway.

Mea culpa.
I didn't go far enough....the unavailable doesn't pop up until one tries to order.
Very sneaky! 

I got cases a year or so ago when they first became available. 

Someday I will actually get the rifle built. FB J action with a GM barrel and CPA wood. Wink

  
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Reply #6 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 11:32am
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Do I recall your rifle is a Martini Cadet???
If so, realize that depending on total ctg length, you may have trouble "turning the corner" on the ramp and into the chamber with the 357Maxi.
My Cadet was rebored/chambered to 357 Magnum yrs ago(1950s) by Kleins , Chicago.  Shoots 200 gr Lyman RN very accurately with a stout load of 4227, and they feed into the chamber OK.
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Reply #7 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 11:02pm
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The rifle is a cadet. Since some people chamber them for 32 specials, it shouldn't be a problem with the max. I seem to have gotten the idea from people on this site with martins. I too have a 357 mag. I love plinking with it
The Jamison brass is new. Belim says the older Jamision brass sometimes splits. I thought I would anneal it
I'll probably buy some 180 grain Barnes and try them  if they don't do well I can shoot them in my 35 Whalen AI
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Reply #8 - Jan 7th, 2016 at 12:26am
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At the risk of being sued for defamation.....

Bellm doesn't know everything, although he wants you to think he does.  

I had an experience with him when sorting out my own Contender.    

BTW Graf's has Jamison Max brass in stock, apparently.  


  

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Reply #9 - Jan 7th, 2016 at 9:50am
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IOwnDoubles wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 11:02pm:
The rifle is a cadet. Since some people chamber them for 32 specials, it shouldn't be a problem with the max.


True, but the .32 Spl, while long, is tapered, and that allows it to "turn the corner".
  
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Reply #10 - Jan 8th, 2016 at 3:43pm
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IOwnDoubles,
Another neat ctg for the Cadet would be a stretch Rimmed 300 blackout:
The 300 BO orig uses 223 brass, shortened slightly, necked up to 30 cal.  357 and 357 Max brass is same dia at base. 

Use the 357 Maxi brass, run it far enough into a std 300 BO FL die as far as you want for your choice of neck length.
Being necked down to 30 cal, you will then be able to feed the rounds down the ramp more easily.
Now, if you relly want to stay with the 357 Max. a guy ,
Mike M in Alaska has done the Maxi on a Cadet. He found some tricks to allow the action to open a bit more and maybe ground the groove in top of breech block a bit deeper
His is working.... He did it for more BLACK powder capacity.


I looked at my 357 mag Cadet with the same idea, and decided I will continue to enjoy it as a 357 Mag. with smokeless and pistol and 200 gr rifle bulllets.
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PS, I would ask JES if he can rifle the barrel to a 10 twist if possible

  
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Reply #11 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 11:07pm
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Made a couple of dummy rounds.  One with 140 grain barnes pistol bullet and one with 220 grain hot core lead rifle bullet. both make it "around the corner" when I tried them in my .357 mag martini.  Of course they don't go all the way in, but I am sure they will in the maximum.
JES is reboring with a 1 in 14 twist, I hope it works with the barnes 180 grain, if not I have to stick with the pistol bullet for hunting.
My lee .38 special dies resize the entire shell unlike some other brands.  The lee dies smash the soft point of the rifle bullets.  Next I'll try my .35 wheel AI dies to seat the bullet.  Hopefully these will work.


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Reply #12 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 2:08pm
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Holy Sheep Dip Beltfed, the 357Max based rimmed 300 BO is sensational.
Cut rim recess, ream with 300 BO to full 1.6 depth (approx), load with 300 BO as needed.

This is huge! Im a slow one to see the obvious pairings in cartridges and chambers.

Thank you for the suggestion.

Have you any reports as to BP performance of such a cartridge? Problems with fouling, etc? This would make a great BP cartridge in 30 cal (I think)
  
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Reply #13 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 2:19pm
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another option is 360dw. longer than 357 mag and shorter than 357 max. can use 357 max reamer and just stop short. the beauty of this is starline makes 360dw brass and it is avail. you can buy direct from starline. actually my h&r had such a long throat I did not have to ream.
  
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Reply #14 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 4:53pm
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Just be aware that the .300 AAC has to be loaded to some pretty high pressures to get decent MV and ME.  Will your action withstand 50,000 psi?   

  

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