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Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:44pm
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A friend has been swaging 22 CF bullets with 22 RF cases for jackets using Corbin equipment.  He swaged a good looking lead bullet wearing nothing but a gas check.  The idea is to load it to 11-1200 fps in a Hornet or .222 for a grouse, rabbit, plinking load.  What we are wondering is what kind of a lube can be used on a soft lead bullet with no lube grooves?  Have any of you tried this?  Is the idea worth pursuing?

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Re: Bare Nekked Bullets
Reply #1 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 11:50pm
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It's my understanding that the lube in black powder loads is there to do two things, A, keep the powder fouling soft and B, to stop leading. Therefore if your load is smokeless powder you only need to stop leading, for this you might try dipping the bullets in Lee Liquid Alox and see if that works.
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Reply #2 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:51am
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I'd at least knurl the sides and then lube with Lee Liquid Alox by the "bag method".  Knurling is easy, just roll them between a hard surface and a double-cut file.

Another thought is to roll them in powdered mica, which is a lube model used for decades on some commercial pistol bullets, notably hollow-base wadcutters.  There are other synthetic powder lubes today, like hexagonal boron nitride.  I know of no-one using them straight as bullet lube.  

Might ask on the Cast Boolits forum.  Somebody there has tried every strange and wonderful idea ever spawned.

FWIW, Lube on conventionally grooved bullets is said to act as a sealant against gas lancing.  A tight fit of the bullets in the throat might be advised when no grease lube is present. It might also be advisable to omit the gas check, so as to let the base obturate.

.22 rimfire bullets are waxed.  They are also swaged.  Looking at the base form of a .22LR bullet might give some ideas.  No-one can say they don't work exceptionally well.

Are there not some guys shooting .22 rimfire using breech seated bullets?  What do they know?
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Re: Bare Nekked Bullets
Reply #3 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 1:21am
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I shoot in that velocity range with plain base (2 diameter, no groove) 30/1, bullets, in my breech seated 22rf. 

I've used 2 lubes, first was Darr lube. Rubbed on my hands and applied to the bullets by rolling them in my hands.

The other was Lee, Liquid Alox. Bullets in a small pan and swirled around in it.

I haven't used the 40/40/10 (alox, JP wax, mineral oil) but, I think it would be excellent.

22's don't take much lube in that velocity range. 

My bullets where, 43 - 48 gr, the barrel 24" lg and never leaded, even at 1400 fps.

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Reply #4 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 9:48am
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I've used Lee liquid alox for low velocity bullets, and worked good. On rifle slugs over 1,000 fps, it didn't prove to be enough lube to prevent leading in long barrels.
  

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Reply #5 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 12:56pm
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I haven't used the 40/40/10 (alox, JP wax, mineral oil) but, I think it would be excellent.
I reload 22LR's with black powder and the lube I use is close to what Frank posted:
* Equal parts of Rooster Jacket Lube - Lee Alox
* Mix a 1/2 teaspoon of fine graphite into the above
* Dilute the mix with mineral oil and warm with a hairdryer in a container.  Be sure to stir the graphite in well
* Warm bullets
* Shake mix and bullets is a plastic container
Spread on wax paper - warm again with hairdry - let dry

I also have used paraffin instead of the Rooster Jacket.  Issue is melting the paraffin and diluting the mix so it coats lightly shaken in a container.  Both the bullets & mix has to be warm to the touch

Commercial vendor's lube?  No one will tell you what they use but it is a wax formulation with graphite.  Reason why the bullets are dark gray to black
  
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Re: Bare Nekked Bullets
Reply #6 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:20pm
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marlinguy wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 9:48am:
I've used Lee liquid alox for low velocity bullets, and worked good. On rifle slugs over 1,000 fps, it didn't prove to be enough lube to prevent leading in long barrels.

Thanks for posting that.  I  won't bother trying it .
  

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Reply #7 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 7:31pm
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Can't find the post anymore using the forum search function, but copied from an old thread is:

"Remington uses microcrystalline wax. It is used alone on plated bullets, whereas they tumble plain lead bullets in graphite prior to applying the wax to its unplated bullets."

  

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Reply #8 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 8:41pm
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With the check, at that velocity, I'd try a few with no lube at all.
  
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Re: Bare Nekked Bullets
Reply #9 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 10:42pm
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We'll probably give some of these ideas a try when we get the time and the urge.  I suppose the sensible thing to do if I want to shoot 22 caliber bullets at the 11-1200 velocity range is to just grab a 22 rf! Smiley

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