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Reply #15 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 6:24am
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RCBS Promelt: Anybody know if there is an adjustment knob under the plastic knob on the Promelt? Mine holds temperature well, but the temperature indicators on the plastic adjustment knob bear no correlation to the temperature of the melt, and read at least 100* too high.

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Reply #16 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 12:33pm
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I use a 10lb and a20lb Rapine. Have both for over 15 years. Still working great ( cross my fingers )
  
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Reply #17 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 3:04pm
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Schuetzendave wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 12:44pm:


Everyone I had talked with had problems casting quality bullets with electric pots so I have never tried one; based on the advice of a number of top single shot shooters.


What kind of problems are they having?  Electric too slow to melt lead in Canada?  Cheesy
  

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Reply #18 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 7:43pm
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I thought cold might be the problem.  I keep them organized in order and inspect bases as I cast while I wait for  the mold to cool. Electric works fine.  Gas is too hot in the garage  Cheesy  I don't weight them, my rejects will shoot in the same group with the good bullets.   Not sure how many years it took to figure it out, but too many Cry
  

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Reply #19 - Dec 22nd, 2015 at 5:00pm
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The casting season is upon us. Lee 20# pot and ladle poured holds +/- 0.5gr with no problem. Only about 2800 more to go. Wink
  

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Reply #20 - Dec 22nd, 2015 at 5:29pm
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I did add a pid unit to my casting trio. It keeps the temps within a few degrees of the chosen setting. I find it really helpful and doubt I would cast without one. They aren't cheap but if you're serious about the quality of your product you'll be wanting one.
You can find pre built ones on the net for sale or build one from components. They really aren't hard to build if I can do it. But if you buy parts and build it yourself  you won't save yourself much.

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Reply #21 - Dec 22nd, 2015 at 8:36pm
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kcajeel wrote on Dec 22nd, 2015 at 5:29pm:
I did add a pid unit to my casting trio. It keeps the temps within a few degrees of the chosen setting. I find it really helpful and doubt I would cast without one. They aren't cheap but if you're serious about the quality of your product you'll be wanting one.
You can find pre built ones on the net for sale or build one from components. They really aren't hard to build if I can do it. But if you buy parts and build it yourself  you won't save yourself much.

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Do you have a way to watch your mold temp while casting?
  

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Reply #22 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 10:29am
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kcajeel wrote on Dec 22nd, 2015 at 5:29pm:
I did add a pid unit to my casting trio. It keeps the temps within a few degrees of the chosen setting. I find it really helpful and doubt I would cast without one. They aren't cheap but if you're serious about the quality of your product you'll be wanting one.
You can find pre built ones on the net for sale or build one from components. They really aren't hard to build if I can do it. But if you buy parts and build it yourself  you won't save yourself much.
Good luck

Do the same, but guess I don't consider the $75 cost of the PID controller, 40A SSRelay & type-K TC to be all that much money. 

As for maintaining a consistent mold temp, I find keeping a consistent casting rhythm the important part in this. The problem can be with a good mold that drops the bullet upon opening that one can go too fast and overheat the mold. Find with the mold pictured above that I have to slow down a bit to keep the mold from getting too hot.
  

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Reply #23 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 3:55pm
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Long before PID was cheap and readily available, I discovered 15-20 degrees  variation in the pot didn't really matter.  10 degrees variation off optimum mold temp will make a big difference.  That $75  going towards a good thermocouple is a much better investment.
  

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Reply #24 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 4:39pm
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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Dec 23rd, 2015 at 3:55pm:
Long before PID was cheap and readily available, I discovered 15-20 degrees  variation in the pot didn't really matter.  10 degrees variation off optimum mold temp will make a big difference.  That $75  going towards a good thermocouple is a much better investment.

$33 of the $75 is for an Omega Engineering type-K TC. Doesn't get any better than Omega. 
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Reply #25 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 4:46pm
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Schuetzenmiester,

If you want to watch your mould temperature you can drill and tap a hole in the block and mount a small temp probe that goes back to a separate PID display.  Some of the guys over on the Cast Boolits site have built theirs this way.   

I just finished my second PID unit and the components from Auber instruments totaled $105.65 including shipping.  This was the PID for $46.50, K type heat treat 10" thermocouple w/mini connector for $23.62, thermocouple extension wire for $0.67, K type female panel plug for $3.20 and a 40 amp SSR for $19.

You can find most of these components on e-bay for maybe a little less but you have to be very careful about their working temperature range and scales.  Some only display in C and not F.  I have been unable to find a heat treat thermocouple  (up to 2000 degrees F) on e-bay at least not one that is 10" long. 

As far as US vs. China made I think that if you look at the components they will say made in China regardless of where you purchase them from.

For the enclosure I found a heavy aluminum box with a built in heat sink integral to the entire top of the box. The box was a surplus power supply at a local electronics store.  I paid $10 for the box and was able to reuse the power cord, fuse holder, power switch and almost all of the interior wiring.  I had to pay $2 for a power outlet and I had heat sink grease left over from my first PID project.

Can you cast good bullets without a PID?  Sure, but this helps remove a variable and they're kind of fun to build and use, flashing lights, buzzers for alarms, etc.  What more could you ask for?

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Reply #26 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 5:00pm
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Being an electrician, I just plugged a thermocouple into my Fluke multimeter.  Of course, I drill and tap for a standard electrical screw size, 8-32   Wink
  

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Reply #27 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 7:29pm
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I have found for me that the to cn a drilled and taped hole on the mold is a little cumbersome . What I did was attach a tc directly to the hot plate element. Heated it up until the removable tc I have attached to a digital temp gauge red what I wanted. Then I set the pid to that temp. I alleyways keep the block setting on hot plate when not actually casting. Block seams to keep correct temp and drops consistent pullers.

That works for me. 
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Reply #28 - Dec 23rd, 2015 at 7:56pm
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There is no doubt having the thermocouple wire attached to the mold is a bit of a PIA, at least until you work out a system and get used to it.

Any system that gives consistent results is the best  Grin
  

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