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sharps Participating Member Offline Posts: 35 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2014	Re: 45-70 mold??? Reply #15 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:18am	Print Post
	for wiw I used a 500gr clone of the gi bullet ahead of 63grs goex 2f in a trapdoor, that was sporterized buy whacking off excess barrel and wood worked well on a wi whitetail & coon. melt was @ 25-1, I think I would go w/the 405hb as lees 500gr is really 'pointy'. gotten good customer service from them[lee] and good results w/ molds, need to keep sprue plate hinge lubed [per instructions] as its easy to gall the top of mould block, good luck & best wishes


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KenHo Junior Member Offline Posts: 81 Joined: Jun 29^th, 2015	Re: 45-70 mold??? Reply #16 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 1:06pm	Print Post
	Thanks to all for your input - these things really help increase my knowledge. Dave: Your use of Don Miller's formula is very interesting and got me to do some research. Amazing how little the velocity changes the results, but how much the temperature does change results. One of the questions I have, does shooting a bullet in 50ºF temperature really that much difference in shooting the same bullet in 100ºF temperature? Also, how does a bullet length of a big meplat, vs a longer spire point with a very small meplat of the same grain weight for bullet affect actual shooting? I see the difference in the calculations and it makes a good bit of difference. Again, I thank all of ya'll for your input - this thread as been much more educational than I expected. Ken H>

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 45-70 mold??? Reply #17 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:29pm	Print Post
	Schuetzendave wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 1:30pm: When breech seating with an adjustable seater; you can tighten your group size by changing the chamber capacity when the temperature drops below freezing or when the temperature gos to 100 degrees. Yes temperature has an effect on your Sg. It is not as important when the Sg increases and provides a bit more spin but if you are shooting close to 1.4 and it changes to colder weather you could have the effect of making your bullet tumble. You are lucky to live in Canada where you can make these discoveries Dave. Our weather is too boring here on the coast.

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George Babits Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1131 Joined: Sep 27^th, 2012	Re: 45-70 mold??? Reply #18 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:55pm	Print Post
	i've used the Lyman 457193 420 grain flat nosed bullet in my Sharps, with black powder, duplex, and smokless powder loads. Been using that bullet for close to 50 years. Have shot deer and buffalo with t. My Sharps is a rebarreled original 1874 action. I think the twist is 1 in 20, but can't remember for sure. That bullet is great for an all around slug and will do the job on just about anything. I have even used it for 1000 yard gong shooting and it makes 'm come there too. George Salmon, Idaho


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 45-70 mold??? Reply #19 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:02pm	Print Post
	I got the bright idea to use the Lyman 457124 405 gr for short ranges in my 16" LR rifle. It didn't shoot very well at 300. Big mistake.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 45-70 mold??? Reply #20 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:04pm	Print Post
	Schuetzendave wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 1:30pm: In recent history the long range shooters are shooting longer heavier bullets (greater kinetic energy) at faster velocities (than traditional BP loads) with better BCs in tight twist barrels that are over spinning to improve the distance they can shoot out to; and still maintain some accuracy. Paper patch bullets without grease grooves have a better BC and that is why they are preferred by some long distance BP shooters. Because of the time in flight; long distance shooters are much more concerned about bullet drag and drop. They choose different bullets and barrels than is required for short distance hunting. How fast a twist, how high the velocity and how heavy are the bullets they are trying?

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 45-70 mold??? Reply #21 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:08pm	Print Post
	Thanks Dave, I can't imagine the 45 crowd going to bigger bullets and higher velocity. I have known of permanent injury sufferedwith 550 grs in the 1450 fps range and a little below.

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KenHo Junior Member Offline Posts: 81 Joined: Jun 29^th, 2015	Re: 45-70 mold??? Reply #22 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:31pm	Print Post
	Dave, you mention your Caliber 0.408 Inches; Bullet Weight 410 Grains (Money); Bullet Length 1.442 Inches. That is one advantage of the 40 cal over the 45 (or even 50 cal) rounds, you get that nice long bullet shape at a lower grain weight. I really like the shape of that money bullet. Ken H>

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JS47 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1265 Location: Arizona Joined: Oct 12^th, 2012	Re: 45-70 mold??? Reply #23 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:06pm	Print Post
	A 250 grain Keith bullet out of a 44 Mag will completely penetrate a deer. So will a 350 grain 45-70 bullet. I speak from experience here. With a 45 caliber hole mushrooming isn't necessary. Why complicate things? Use the lighter bullet so you can get in a lot of practice without developing a flinch. Put the bullet in the right place and the deer will die, usually very soon. JS


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shovel80 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 896 Location: Sonora,CA Joined: Jun 6^th, 2011	Re: 45-70 mold??? Reply #24 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:07pm	Print Post
	Man, a .45-110 with a 575 Gr. Bullet with a 16 twist Barrel.......Talk about Torque! Terry...

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 45-70 mold??? Reply #25 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 3:26am	Print Post
	Dave, Do Canadian women eat up 550 grs at 1450 fps with 16" twist?

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 45-70 mold??? Reply #26 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 3:30am	Print Post
	JS47 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:06pm: A 250 grain Keith bullet out of a 44 Mag will completely penetrate a deer. So will a 350 grain 45-70 bullet. I speak from experience here. With a 45 caliber hole mushrooming isn't necessary. Why complicate things? Use the lighter bullet so you can get in a lot of practice without developing a flinch. Put the bullet in the right place and the deer will die, usually very soon. JS .54 round ball will zip right through deer. Matter of fact, a 350 pound bear won't hold it quartering through the chest.

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KenHo Junior Member Offline Posts: 81 Joined: Jun 29^th, 2015	Re: 45-70 mold??? Reply #27 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 10:14am	Print Post
	Grizzly...... .22 short? I've always heard shot placement was important!!!! Any idea if this was an eye socket shot? OR - did the bullet actually go thru the skull itself? I'd always read grizzly's had thick skulls? Understand, I've never even shot a black bear, or even seen a dead bear. Just didn't have them around where I grew up in north Alabama. Ken H>

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 45-70 mold??? Reply #28 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:28pm	Print Post
	Dave, Nothing to discuss with them. Canadian women kick my rear every time. We can't and won't deal with tough, smart women down here. We export them north and let you Canadians deal with them

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7539 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 45-70 mold??? Reply #29 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:32pm	Print Post
	Schuetzenmiester wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:28pm: Dave, Nothing to discuss with them. Canadian women kick my rear every time. We can't and won't deal with tough, smart women down here. We export them north and let you Canadians deal with them I have to agree with Bob Frank

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