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HamboneDave Newbie Offline Posts: 5 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2015	Loading at the bench question Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:19pm	Print Post
	I shoot 45-70 Sharps but have not attended a Schuetzen match. Have done silhouette and regular target. How many folks load at the bench? Paper patched bullets will be made ahead of time. I plan on just using stuff like a Lee Loader (tap out primer, brush out case, tap in new primer, volume measure powder, tap down compress with a marked dowel, hand seat bullet). Any advice would be appreciated.

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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2509 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: Loading at the bench question Reply #1 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:43pm	Print Post
	Since you are using paper patched bullets I'm guessing that you are probably using black powder. If so then i'd consider making a case scraper from a jigsaw blade like in Randolph Wright's book. That works better than a brush for me. The trick is getting the case consistently nice and clean after each shot. I shoot where it is often humid and the bp residue very quickly absorbs water from the air and becomes messy. I scrape the residue into a paper cup. In order to get the interior of the scraper to match the case I sectioned a case ( after deburring the flash hole completely ) and then ground the scraper to match the bottom of the case. I use a Harrell's measure, pope style de-re capper from Buffalo Arms, and a drop tube. I'm still trying to reduce the weight of the stuff I bring. Chris.


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shovel80 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 896 Location: Sonora,CA Joined: Jun 6^th, 2011	Re: Loading at the bench question Reply #2 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:28pm	Print Post
	In the Schuetzen Game...We Load at the bench......at least the guys I shoot with do. Terry

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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2212 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: Loading at the bench question Reply #3 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 1:37am	Print Post
	This is a picture of Don Duff loading at the bench; he's breech-seating a bullet as Russ Hooks looks through the spotting scope.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12066 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Loading at the bench question Reply #4 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:30am	Print Post
	Loading at the bench is more fun for me. Started out that way. Once the routine is down and with the right tools can load fast. Before I got fancy bullet boxes, used to bring the bullets still in the lube to a match. Popped them out as I needed them. Joe.

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HamboneDave Newbie Offline Posts: 5 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2015	Re: Loading at the bench question Reply #5 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:33am	Print Post
	Thanks for all the advice. I will need to visit a match before deciding if Schuetzen is for me. I don't care if I win or lose, I shoot against myself. I am more of a historical traditionalist when it comes to calibers, powder, reloading techniques. Schuetzen may not be for me and I may just be relegated to wondering the earth in woe shooting by myself and against myself in the desert. Need to look into the scraper idea....been brushing out cases with a bore brush. Thanks again.

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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1269 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: Loading at the bench question Reply #6 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:44am	Print Post
	HamboneDave I sent you a PM yesterday, please read, it should fill you in about matches in the Phoenix area. There are upcoming events you could attend. Best of luck

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JS47 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1265 Location: Arizona Joined: Oct 12^th, 2012	Re: Loading at the bench question Reply #7 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:35pm	Print Post
	HamboneDave wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:33am: Thanks for all the advice. I will need to visit a match before deciding if Schuetzen is for me. I don't care if I win or lose, I shoot against myself. I am more of a historical traditionalist when it comes to calibers, powder, reloading techniques. Schuetzen may not be for me and I may just be relegated to wondering the earth in woe shooting by myself and against myself in the desert. Need to look into the scraper idea....been brushing out cases with a bore brush. Thanks again. Shooting against yourself, if you're an optimist you'll always come in first. If you're a pessimist you'll always come in last. or JS


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Loading at the bench question Reply #8 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 11:38pm	Print Post
	JS47 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:35pm: HamboneDave wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:33am: Thanks for all the advice. I will need to visit a match before deciding if Schuetzen is for me. I don't care if I win or lose, I shoot against myself. I am more of a historical traditionalist when it comes to calibers, powder, reloading techniques. Schuetzen may not be for me and I may just be relegated to wondering the earth in woe shooting by myself and against myself in the desert. Need to look into the scraper idea....been brushing out cases with a bore brush. Thanks again. Shooting against yourself, if you're an optimist you'll always come in first. If you're a pessimist you'll always come in last. or JS Going to just win every match won't be much fun anyways

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12066 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Loading at the bench question Reply #9 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 11:45pm	Print Post
	HamboneDave wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:33am: Thanks for all the advice. I will need to visit a match before deciding if Schuetzen is for me. I don't care if I win or lose, I shoot against myself. I am more of a historical traditionalist when it comes to calibers, powder, reloading techniques. Schuetzen may not be for me and I may just be relegated to wondering the earth in woe shooting by myself and against myself in the desert. Need to look into the scraper idea....been brushing out cases with a bore brush. Thanks again. You will like Schuetzen and the people. The place to learn and a great place to pick up an outfit. Joe.

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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Loading at the bench question Reply #10 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:19am	Print Post
	When I changed from traditional large cases to the short .357 based cases I tried preloading 50 cases at a time my scores suffered. When I went back to loading at the bench one at a time my scores went back up. This may be a personal observation but I have never felt the time that I spent reloading at the bench ever hindered me in any way. If the wind cooperates I can get of twenty well-aimed shots. I don’t think that you can get many more shots off in a forty five minute relay than that while breech-seating. 40 Rod


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12066 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Loading at the bench question Reply #11 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:54am	Print Post
	Skalkaho timed me loading at the bench a couple years ago. Was using a Ballard 38-55. Don't remember my average time but it was surprisingly short. Less than a minute and a half. Here's 40_Rod showing us how it's done. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Joe.

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HamboneDave Newbie Offline Posts: 5 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2015	Re: Loading at the bench question Reply #12 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:08am	Print Post
	Thanks everybody. RSW PM'd me with the next Phoenix shoot dates. I plan on going to see if this format is for me.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17436 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Loading at the bench question Reply #13 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:31am	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:54am: Skalkaho timed me loading at the bench a couple years ago. Was using a Ballard 38-55. Don't remember my average time but it was surprisingly short. Less than a minute and a half. Here's 40_Rod showing us how it's done. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Joe. Thanks Joe! Haven't seen that show in many years, and enjoyed watching it again!

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Skalkaho Oldtimer Offline Posts: 835 Location: Montana Joined: Sep 29^th, 2006	Re: Loading at the bench question Reply #14 - Nov 11^th, 2015 at 10:04am	Print Post
	After watching Joe at 2014 Montana championship and timing him, what I saw was A way to actually relax alittle between shots. I just havent gotten around to trying it, still not there yet with the extra time and still fiddling with my rifles.Pete

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