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Dales Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 311 Location: Western NY Joined: Oct 21^st, 2013	Cadet action strength Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:22pm	Print Post
	Just picked up a 310 Cadet made by Greener . Are these actions strong enough to handle 30-30Win.? And is there enough room to load fixed ammo into the chamber ? I plan to use the rifle for offhand cast bullet shooting but want to make sure it would be safe if some future owner fires factory 30-30 ammo. Thanks Dales


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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3900 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Cadet action strength Reply #1 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:44pm	Print Post
	I have one (in 30-30) that is being re-barreled to 7mm International Rimmed (sort of a 30-30 necked down). 30-30 is a bit much to load (diameter and length) without special attention of getting the bullet into the chamber.

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craigster Oldtimer Offline Posts: 698 Location: lost coast CA Joined: Feb 20^th, 2011	Re: Cadet action strength Reply #2 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 11:02pm	Print Post
	This Cadet (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Shoots cast bullets very well (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Chambering is original 310.


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MartiniBelgian Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1692 Location: Aarschot Joined: Jun 7^th, 2004	Re: Cadet action strength Reply #3 - Oct 24^th, 2015 at 2:07am	Print Post
	The origianl .310 is indeed an excellent cast-bullet shooter, easy to load too: decap , seat new primer, carge powder, seat lubed bullet and shoot. No dies required...


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Goatwhiskers Full Member Offline Posts: 101 Location: Batchelor, La. Joined: Oct 27^th, 2011	Re: Cadet action strength Reply #4 - Oct 24^th, 2015 at 5:11pm	Print Post
	It's plenty strong, but the longer cartridges without enough taper can be "interesting" to load unless the groove in the block is ground out--not recommended. Mine wears an original barrel rebored to .35 cal, it was .357Mag when I got it, I converted to the Max. With the RD175gr it's kinda tricky to load, the RD190 with its longer nose is easier. Best conversions are probably something in the Bee category and rimmed. Some have been converted to .44Mag, not recommended as the chamber walls are almighty thin and can lead to a swollen chamber. I have one more Cadet, thinking seriously about just setting up to shoot the original .310, oughta be fun! GW

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Dales Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 311 Location: Western NY Joined: Oct 21^st, 2013	Re: Cadet action strength Reply #5 - Oct 24^th, 2015 at 6:51pm	Print Post
	I am hoping to build a light offhand rifle with a fixed cartridge for schuetzen matches . Health problems are making it to hard to fire a 10 round target with my CPA or German rifles . Maybe 25-20 would be a better fit with this action. Not sure accuracy of the 310 cartridge would be good enough for 200yd work. Thanks Dales


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John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1724 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	Re: Cadet action strength Reply #6 - Oct 24^th, 2015 at 9:32pm	Print Post
	I think the ideal cartridge for the Cadet is the 32-20 which is very close to the old 310. My own is in 32 S&W but it is not finished yet, to busy working on every one ells guns

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singleshotsam Oldtimer Offline Posts: 562 Location: Silver City NM Joined: Jan 15^th, 2009	Re: Cadet action strength Reply #7 - Oct 24^th, 2015 at 10:06pm	Print Post
	Another option is the 25-35 Winchester, it is easy to load and mine is extremely accurate. My rifle likes the 100 Nosler BT bullets and is very effective on coyotes and whitetail sized game. Recoil is minimal and this is my favorite woods rifle. I have another Cadet action barreled in 357 MAX, it required a slight modification to the loading groove in the breech block but nothing radical or that would weaken the block in any way. SSS


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Mal Full Member Offline Posts: 221 Location: Adelaide SOUTH AUSTRALIA Joined: Dec 5^th, 2012	Re: Cadet action strength Reply #8 - Oct 25^th, 2015 at 1:53am	Print Post
	G,day, Have one in .308/222 mine is on the rimless case,you could also use a rimmed case,shoots cast 150- 190 gr range very well,using blk or White powder, 12/1 twist bl. Originally set up to shoot 155- 168gn boat tail projectiles @ 200yds, 1.25 inch groups at that distance were the norm.I now use it to shoot a 100yd offhand BP match. All round a great little rifle to use. Cheers Mal In Au.


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nuclearcricket Oldtimer Offline Posts: 771 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2008	Re: Cadet action strength Reply #9 - Oct 25^th, 2015 at 6:39am	Print Post
	If one were to acquire and install one of the rimless extractors, would the cadet action be suitable to be chambered in the 300 ACC Blackout? I currently on my desk have a 30-20 loaded with a 125 gr bullet and a 300 Acc loaded with a 168 gr bullet. Not all that much difference in case length or case size, the 300 is a little bigger on both counts but not what I would consider excessively so. Sam


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1762 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: Cadet action strength Reply #10 - Oct 25^th, 2015 at 8:54am	Print Post
	Sam, Re the 300 AAC BO: IN the martini cadet: A perfect variation is: Simply run 357 Maxi brass into a 300 BO die to make up a perfect Rimmed 300BO Happens that the 357 case is same dia as the 223 brass/300 BO. Then no issue with extractor. beltfed/arnie


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MartiniBelgian Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1692 Location: Aarschot Joined: Jun 7^th, 2004	Re: Cadet action strength Reply #11 - Oct 25^th, 2015 at 11:15am	Print Post
	The .310 shoots pretty well at 200 with the original 120gr bullet - much better than one would be led to believe. I for one wouldn't mind one for accuracy at that range. Then again, 32-20 is also a winner in the action - for me as a BP target round with a fast-twist .308 barrel. but no reason why it shouldn't perform with smokeless....


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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Cadet action strength Reply #12 - Oct 25^th, 2015 at 1:36pm	Print Post
	I am with Gert---why bother re-chambering it? Incidentally, the rifle shown above is not a Cadet---it is a model 6 or 12. The Cadet is a model 4b. I won the "any gallery rifle" event at the Trafalgar meeting at Bisley last weekend with this one. Fred


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craigster Oldtimer Offline Posts: 698 Location: lost coast CA Joined: Feb 20^th, 2011	Re: Cadet action strength Reply #13 - Oct 25^th, 2015 at 10:09pm	Print Post
	Fred Boulton wrote on Oct 25^th, 2015 at 1:36pm: I am with Gert---why bother re-chambering it? Incidentally, the rifle shown above is not a Cadet---it is a model 6 or 12. The Cadet is a model 4b. I won the "any gallery rifle" event at the Trafalgar meeting at Bisley last weekend with this one. Fred Wrong, incidentally. The rifle was a bone stock 4b Cadet when I started the project. I butchered it to its' present configuration. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Cadet action strength Reply #14 - Oct 26^th, 2015 at 5:19am	Print Post
	JUST STIRRING IT UP! It irritates British shooters when their American friends call every BSA Martini a Cadet. Also, using some Cadet bits to make something else doesn't make your butchered project a Cadet any more. Fred


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