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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16375 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Breechseating tool Sep 24^th, 2015 at 8:39pm	Print Post
	Decided to give breechseating a try in some of my Ballard rifles. Had 4-5 castings for the hook, so building a tool wasn't much work with those to start with. I wanted a tool that would clear the scope, and work on my Ballards without needing a stud to hook it on. So I went with a "plow handle" design. Still have to build rods and plugged cases for the various calibers, but I think the one tool should work for various calibers, as long as bullets aren't over 1" long. That's about the limit of the travel with this design. Besides the adjusting rods, and plugged cases, I also need to turn out a 3.25" long handle to slip over the all thread rod. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 2239 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: Breechseating tool Reply #1 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 1:39pm	Print Post
	Marlin, That is a good looking breech-seater and will work well. Should be easy to change plugged cases for different cartridges. Here is a very similar one, but slightly different that also works. Will put some finish on it someday. Chuck


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16375 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Breechseating tool Reply #2 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 4:59pm	Print Post
	Excellent Chuck! I hope to make up various rod and case assemblies, so I can swap out calibers, and not have to readjust each time. Maybe make up a small range box with this handle assembly, and the extra rods/plugged cases for other calibers.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16375 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Breechseating tool Reply #3 - Oct 10^th, 2015 at 2:57pm	Print Post
	Got around to finally making up the rod for my tool, so I could give it a test run. Once adjusted, it easily seated a .321" bullet into my smaller .318" bore! Was a bit surprised at how little effort it took to seat the fairly large bullet. Now that I know it works well, I'll make up a wood handle to slip on it, and it's ready to go! (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4074 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Breechseating tool Reply #4 - Oct 14^th, 2015 at 9:16am	Print Post
	Looks good, Vall. Seems to me that the Ballard and the Martini actions provide the greatest challenge to making a good mechanical breech seater. Does the "hook" give a good, full width bearing surface on the action? I've seen too many cracked (cast) actions in that area (at the corners) to want to put too much stress on that area. Froggie


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16375 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Breechseating tool Reply #5 - Oct 14^th, 2015 at 9:59am	Print Post
	Green_Frog wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 9:16am: Looks good, Vall. Seems to me that the Ballard and the Martini actions provide the greatest challenge to making a good mechanical breech seater. Does the "hook" give a good, full width bearing surface on the action? I've seen too many cracked (cast) actions in that area (at the corners) to want to put too much stress on that area. Froggie Well that's a good question Charlie! Since it's made from a brass or some brass alloy, I'd guess the hooks would break off before it could do any damage to the receiver. Considering the alternative is putting a pin in the side of the action, I prefer this style to the pin for an original gun. It sure doesn't feel like it's taking much force to seat a bullet, but it does have a 6:1 ratio to work with.

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rgchristensen Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 1111 Joined: Jan 2^nd, 2014	Re: Breechseating tool Reply #6 - Oct 14^th, 2015 at 10:38am	Print Post
	For a breech-seater in a German Martini, I have put a longer pin thru the breechblock and pivoted the seater on that. CHRIS RGChristensen


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Breechseating tool Reply #7 - Oct 14^th, 2015 at 6:39pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 9:59am: Green_Frog wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 9:16am: Looks good, Vall. Seems to me that the Ballard and the Martini actions provide the greatest challenge to making a good mechanical breech seater. Does the "hook" give a good, full width bearing surface on the action? I've seen too many cracked (cast) actions in that area (at the corners) to want to put too much stress on that area. Froggie Well that's a good question Charlie! Since it's made from a brass or some brass alloy, I'd guess the hooks would break off before it could do any damage to the receiver. Considering the alternative is putting a pin in the side of the action, I prefer this style to the pin for an original gun. It sure doesn't feel like it's taking much force to seat a bullet, but it does have a 6:1 ratio to work with. I made mine to push from the sight base screw on my Ballard.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16375 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Breechseating tool Reply #8 - Oct 15^th, 2015 at 10:35am	Print Post
	Schuetzenmiester wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 6:39pm: I made mine to push from the sight base screw on my Ballard. Thought about that, but since I am using a vernier sight, it's not an option. Also wondered about the strength of the two 9-40 screws on the tang holding over time.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7341 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Breechseating tool Reply #9 - Oct 15^th, 2015 at 11:56am	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 10:35am: Schuetzenmiester wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 6:39pm: I made mine to push from the sight base screw on my Ballard. Thought about that, but since I am using a vernier sight, it's not an option. Also wondered about the strength of the two 9-40 screws on the tang holding over time. I wouldn't worry about it. I use that arrangement on a 44 1/2 with #5 x 40 screws. Frank

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16375 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Breechseating tool Reply #10 - Oct 15^th, 2015 at 8:00pm	Print Post
	Do most of those who breech seat have a tool for each caliber? Or just have extra plugged cases to attach to the same tool for other calibers?

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7341 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Breechseating tool Reply #11 - Oct 15^th, 2015 at 8:06pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 8:00pm: Do most of those who breech seat have a tool for each caliber? Or just have extra plugged cases to attach to the same tool for other calibers? I have different BSers for all of my rifles. I use the same lever for my Hoch and German rifle but, different cases. Frank

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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Breechseating tool Reply #12 - Oct 16^th, 2015 at 8:56am	Print Post
	Frank I prefer to have a kit for each gun that has at least: The breech seater, a Re&De, A range book for the rifle, a dozen cases, an extra firing pin, an extra screws kit, and any specialty tools I have made up for the gun. I have a small box for each gun so when I go to the range I have everything I need in one place. 40 Rod


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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1011 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Breechseating tool Reply #13 - Oct 16^th, 2015 at 4:44pm	Print Post
	40_rod. I couldn't live like that, where is the challenge. Led all


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Fritz Oldtimer Offline Posts: 516 Location: Texas Joined: Jun 27^th, 2008	Re: Breechseating tool Reply #14 - Oct 16^th, 2015 at 5:49pm	Print Post
	I'll second that 40_Rod


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