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Aug 7th, 2015 at 11:18pm
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I have to make a upper tang screw for my HW. I think that I remeber that it's a 10 x 36 thread but, I want to make sure before I thread it.

Can anyone comfirm it?

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Reply #1 - Aug 7th, 2015 at 11:58pm
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According to the print I have, the tang screw is 12-28.  1.59" length under 90 degree countersunk type oval head.  1.71" OAL.  .069" countersink taper length.  .040" straight section .343" diameter between countersink and oval head. .406" thread length.  .205" shank and major thread diameter.

Vernier tang sight requires additional length and possibly different head style.

I didn't tear a rifle down to confirm these dimensions, so somebody please correct me if they are wrong. 

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Reply #2 - Aug 8th, 2015 at 1:29am
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Hayface,
I can see where my question was confusing. There are two screws that hold the tang sight. The info that I need is for the tang sight screw, nearest the breech block. I was calling it the upper tang screw but, ment the upper tang sight screw. I'm sorry for the confusion (I knew what I ment Smiley )

I have the "modern" HW prints but, they use the more common 10x32 screw in that position.

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Reply #3 - Aug 8th, 2015 at 4:34am
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Frank,

from an old Marbles chart for the WRA short tang sight mounting screw:
Whitworth  0.185" x 35 1/2
  

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Reply #4 - Aug 8th, 2015 at 8:19am
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Frank,

No apologies necessary, confusion is the norm at this shop.  A single point cut 10-36 sounds like the ticket to fit the specs BP sent, unless you've got some arcane Whitworth capable machinery lying about.  I made a 10-36 screw for a friend to mount a peep sight on a Krag just a few weeks ago.  In 35+ years of gunsmithing, can't say I ever had a call for another.  Strange how such oddities show up in multiples.

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Reply #5 - Aug 8th, 2015 at 12:15pm
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The Prints?? that exist call for a .185-35 1/2 or 35.5 pitch as someone else has pointed out. Now in the older world we all came from the gearing to cut 35.5 is not easily available. Winchester probably spent a lot of time to arrange that or had some type of geometric dies made. In today's world of CNC machines it is just programed number 35.5 comes out to .02816. Now a 36 pitch comes out to .02777 per turn. So the difference is .02816 Minus .02777 = .00039 per turn. Now if you cut a 10-36 pitch and it only for 3 to 5 turns and you cut it just a little loose you will be OK as long as it does not bother you. I work in the medical field making operating instruments and everything is Metric. We have to hold it. We ended up buying a Programming drive that I can program lead screw feed rate for and pitch desired Metric or Decimal. Pain in the A$$ sometimes but it works. So have many Gunsmith and Hobby mechanics over the years using 10-36 for Highwalls just to keep them going. HTH, Regards, FITZ. Wink
PS the total accumulated error for 4 turns at a 36 pitch comes 
out to minus .00156 lead error. FITZ.  Wink
  

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Reply #6 - Aug 8th, 2015 at 12:38pm
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Thank you all for the info. It really saved me some frustration. I was going to turn it .190x36 so, I would have had a harder time fitting it.

And thank you, Bob for offering to pull a screw on your rifle.

Great guys on this forum Smiley

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Reply #7 - Aug 8th, 2015 at 3:03pm
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Frank-
I would confer with the fine folks at MVA sights
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Reply #8 - Aug 8th, 2015 at 4:37pm
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Frank,

One more note...
limit your shank reach (body length extending from the bevel under the head) to no more than about 15/64" (0.2344"), to prevent the bottom of the screw from interfering with the model 1885's sear spring.
  

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Reply #9 - Aug 8th, 2015 at 11:28pm
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I use 10x36, have the tap and die. It's so close that over the short length of the screw it does no make much difference.
  

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