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Reply #15 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 7:29pm
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kensmachine wrote on Aug 3rd, 2015 at 12:03pm:
From the poor service I got form Redmond's I would not recommend them to anybody Ken


I have heard that also. The list are those that were doing re-boring when I got into the business. There were more but I took a few off when I got complaints about them.
  

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Reply #16 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 9:51pm
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PLease forgive the comment:

Its Lining, not RE lining- that is unless the barrel had been
lined before.

I have Lined several 22 rifles to restore shootability.(BTW,
used Redman Liners in them and they now shoot very well.

Then again, I have a A.O. Zischang barrelled Marlin Ballard
that had been Lined to 22 many yrs ago.
At times I have considered RE Lining it to the original 32-40

Again, my apologies for this minor correction in semantics
Lining vs RE Lining....
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Re: Barrel relining
Reply #17 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 7:30pm
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I get the impression Redman is more concerned with mass production of liners for resale to jobbers than with custom work for individuals.  When he was starting out and hungry, he was very good, and about the only game in town back then.  I think his liners are still good, but TJ's offers variable lengths and outside diameters, so I usually go with them now.

Can't remember where I read it, but somebody had an exotic caliber single shot with a barrel that had been relined to a .22 rimfire or centerfire.  On a hunch, he heated the barrel and pushed the liner and solder out, and found the original bore, chamber and rifling were still in good shape.

I guess that would be referred to as "De-Lining" Grin.
  
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Reply #18 - Aug 5th, 2015 at 12:17am
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Almost all the calls I get refer to re-lining a barrel not line a barrel. I have thought about this often. When sleeving an engine it is not called re-sleeve. Not sure where the term came from but it has been called re-line for over 15 years that I know of.
I think I have said this before, Redman liners are button rifled and T.J.'s liners are hammer forged. The hammer forging process hardens the metal and makes it very smooth so less chance of leading.
  

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Reply #19 - Aug 5th, 2015 at 12:54am
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Called Cutrifle regarding a rebore once and once again, left message with contact info both times.  Never heard diddly squat from them. 
  
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Reply #20 - Aug 5th, 2015 at 11:00am
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craigster wrote on Aug 5th, 2015 at 12:54am:
Called Cutrifle regarding a rebore once and once again, left message with contact info both times.  Never heard diddly squat from them. 

I hear some shops will not answer the phone when they get to backed up with work. Dan is good and probably is backed up a bunch.
I think I have the cutter box for 32-20 but not the bore reamer.
  

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Reply #21 - Aug 6th, 2015 at 1:22am
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What possible good can come out of ignoring a potential customer! Why not simply have the basic courtesy to answer the call and be straight and honest with the customer regarding their workload and turn-around time. Those shops or gunsmiths who are too busy or too good to return my call today may be begging for my business tomorrow. Don't they teach basic business ethics in machine or gun shop?
  
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Reply #22 - Aug 6th, 2015 at 12:35pm
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Luck88 asks, "what good can come out of ignoring a potential customer" (with an exclamation, rather than a question mark).
I'd like to say that, having run a one-man cabinet shop for several years, that sometimes the phone is just not answerable. Out of the shop, making delivery, picking up tools or supplies, or maybe even lunch if you can afford it. Or, maybe (likely) taking out another loan to keep the business afloat. So, just be a little more patient, and things will come together in time.  A few days, or a week is no big deal when you consider the fact that you are requesting work that you can only get done by a few folks- and they sure aren't getting rich in the performance of their work.
  
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Reply #23 - Aug 6th, 2015 at 4:06pm
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The very reason I don't have a phone in the shop. I hate to say it but some of the retired people think that I can talk about a project over and over again. Maybe not retired but have a lot more free time. I would rather receive an e-mail about a project than talk on the phone about it.
  

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Reply #24 - Aug 6th, 2015 at 5:51pm
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If gunsmiths put "billable time on the phone" on their work invoices we'd all get a shock.   but it'd be a legitimate thing to do-----many other professionals do.
  

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Reply #25 - Aug 6th, 2015 at 8:19pm
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Gunsmiths should bill for phone time. Attorneys even bill for their secretaries phone time and we know that we would all be better off with a serious reduction in their number (say, 98%?).
  

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Reply #26 - Aug 7th, 2015 at 1:27am
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I see the twist that was made in the argument. My point is that if you advertise a service and someone requests a quote or a reply, to reply succinctly via phone or e-mail  is just fine, or having a few days delay before giving a reply is understandable. But it is discourteous to ignore: meaning to dismiss or totally disregard, the requester. If you're busy just tell them, usually a reasonable person will get it, they'll understand. But to simply blow them off without reply...that's bad business.
  
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Reply #27 - Aug 7th, 2015 at 10:45am
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luck88 wrote on Aug 7th, 2015 at 1:27am:
I see the twist that was made in the argument. My point is that if you advertise a service and someone requests a quote or a reply, to reply succinctly via phone or e-mail  is just fine, or having a few days delay before giving a reply is understandable. But it is discourteous to ignore: meaning to dismiss or totally disregard, the requester. If you're busy just tell them, usually a reasonable person will get it, they'll understand. But to simply blow them off without reply...that's bad business.

You have a valid point and I agree with you. I know of one shop that put on their answering machine that they were backed up and would not be taking any more work till they caught up. 
I'm usually backed up about 6 months and many times I get calls or e-mails within a week of receiving a package asking me if I have looked at the project. 

Another smith told me a story of when he first started and was working for an old smith. A young fellow came into the shop a few days before season started and told the smith he needed his gun by the end of the week. He said it several times and finally the old smith handed the gun back to him and said " you better take it now to ensure you have it by the end of the week."
  

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Reply #28 - Aug 7th, 2015 at 1:26pm
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Luck88, I didn't mean to "twist" the statement at all. I just tried to point out that sometimes you are dealing with a fellow who already has a lot going on, and phone calls are only going to slow down what he's already running in circles trying to accomplish. Just keep leaving messages or look somewhere besides- your call there.
  
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