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Re: Recommended Gunsmiths for Re-chambering a Browning
Reply #15 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:34pm
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boats wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 10:30am:
There is NO good reason to drill holes in your muzzle.
Only Three effective ways to tame recoil.
Well fitting stock
Heavy Gun
Light Bullet

Anything else is snake oil

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Boats - you should let the DoD know. They've been wasting our money on muzzle-brakes on everything up thru 8" rifles (cannons) for years. 

We have a couple of Barrett shooters at my club. Both are most considerate and warn others near them before pulling the trigger. Amazing how much noise and blast the .338 Lapua makes. If shooting prone it kicks up dust/sand and makes a small storm.
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Reply #16 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:50am
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Now Take the cannon lay it across the bench and see how much fun it is to shoot next to. There is a guy that shows up at my club with his thunder boomer belted magnum that he keeps telling us he's sighting in for Africa. He never seems to go but shows up every couple of weeks sets up next to me and blows stuff of my bench with the recoil. Then he has the nerve to laugh as I pick my stuff after his muzzle blast. By the way he can barley hit a man target at 100 yards after the first two shots cause his flinch is so bad.

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Reply #17 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:01am
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40_Rod,

The guy sighting in and blowing your stuff off is what is known as a DUMBASS.
And his manly rifle is a farce, like he is.
I do not understand why guys get a he man rifle good for 1000 yd or so and wastes time shooting it at 100 yds.

Must just add to his dumbass status.
  
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Reply #18 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 5:29pm
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40_Rod,

The guy sighting in and blowing your stuff off is what is known as a DUMBASS.
And his manly rifle is a farce, like he is.
I do not understand why guys get a he man rifle good for 1000 yd or so and wastes time shooting it at 100 yds.

Must just add to his dumbass status.


I agree completely. I know a 50 BMG can cause powder burns at about 20' from a brake.
  

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Reply #19 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 7:01pm
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but try shooting one without the break. Broken collar bones have occurred. Plus guns designed to shot with a brake may not survive shooting without the break.
  
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Reply #20 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:11pm
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John I think I'd flip a lit M-80 under his bench just as he started to squeeze his trigger,   and laugh and laugh and laugh. Grin

Of course we are really wandering away from the OP's discussion topic ain't we? Wink
  

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Reply #21 - Aug 1st, 2015 at 9:38pm
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That cannon brake spreads the gases horizonaly to reduce the dust signature. Shotgun porting reduces muzzle rise for faster shot recovery, pistol porting same thing. 

They don't reduce recoil at all just change the direction of escaping gases.  To reduce recoil you would have to deflect the escaping gas toward the shooter, pushing the gun against the rear thrust. Not a practical solution.

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Reply #22 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 8:02am
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I agree with Boats,  for each action there is a equal or opposite reaction.  I believe felt recoil starts at ignition, not at exit of the tube..  I have had shooters tell me that a noise pollution device (silencer) reduces felt recoil.  enjoyed this thread..  sorry for buttin in...
  
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Reply #23 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 10:24am
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One of the oldest gun instructor tricks is to slip a dummy round into the magazine or cylinder and watch the student/shooter jerk the gun in "anticipated" recoil (aka: "flinch")as the pin strikes the dummy round. 
Also putting a good set of noise blocking muffs on a shooter after a couple of shots without them noticeably reduces "recoil"   

the muzzle blast, and its own characteristics have a big impact  Cheesy on "perceived recoil"
  

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Reply #24 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 12:10pm
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I'm one of the few that has actually tested brakes and I can say in most cases they do reduce recoil. Recoil is caused by two things, action /reaction of the bullet being pushed down the barrel and the rocket effect of the escaping gas. A brake defuses the rocket effect which eliminates this from the recoil. Brakes have more effect on shorter barrels because the gas pressure is still high ( depending on the speed the powder burns and the amount). On longer barrels the gas pressure is usually lower at the muzzle.
  

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Reply #25 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 7:57pm
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John I will agree your assessment. If the gun has a large amount of gas escaping the muzzle some sort of muzzle device can reduce the effect of that gas. 

It's been my observation how it reduces depends on which direction it deflects the blast. However most practical rifles have such little "blast" effect,  compared to the other reasons for recoil, ported barrels have very little effect.

Normal everyday rifle like we are likely to use target shooting or hunting only practical way to reduce recoil is stock design, gun weight, bullet weight. With the negatives to porting and they are many, it's a poor choice.

My opinion only port fans feel free to drill.

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Reply #26 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 10:50pm
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only gun i've ever had ported is my 4" custom Ruger Red-hawk and that was a basic job by Magna-port- many years ago. Two small trapezoidal slots EDM-ed into the barrel, one on each side of the front blade sight. It did help significantly with muzzle jump.  I did not notice any change in perceived recoil rearward, there might have been some. logic says that venting some out the top, enough to hold down the muzzle jump had to mean that the amount going out the end of the barrel was reduced-----just that I could't  sense it.   the sound level was about the same before and after
  

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Reply #27 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 8:49am
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QuestionableMaynard8130 wrote on Aug 2nd, 2015 at 10:50pm:
only gun i've ever had ported is my 4" custom Ruger Red-hawk and that was a basic job by Magna-port- many years ago. Two small trapezoidal slots EDM-ed into the barrel, one on each side of the front blade sight. It did help significantly with muzzle jump.  I did not notice any change in perceived recoil rearward, there might have been some. logic says that venting some out the top, enough to hold down the muzzle jump had to mean that the amount going out the end of the barrel was reduced-----just that I could't  sense it.   the sound level was about the same before and after


I tested some muzzle brakes with slits in line with the bore and they had no reduction in recoil. several round holes at a right angle to the bore works better on pistols and rifles. When doing pistol barrel I usually do three holes on each side of the front sight.
  

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Reply #28 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 3:57pm
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Well that's a lot to soak in!  I have considered going with a .243 but I've never seen a Browning 1885 in .243 for sale.  Did they make many of them?
I have a 1988 Remington Model 7 with a factory Brown Precision Fiberglass Stock.  Remington had them on the cover of their catalog, apparently Remington assumed that their cost of a fiberglass stock would be less than a wood stock.  I discovered that Remington had planned on retailing the complete 5 pound Model 7 with Brown Precision Fiberglass Stock for around $400, that turned out to be Remington's cost on the Brown Precision Fiberglass Stock.  Remington decided to discontinue the model before they had more than a handful made which they gave to their salesmen to sell.  I loved everything about the gun except the 16" barrel & it wouldn't shoot better than a 3 or 4" group.  I took it to a local gunsmith he checked the gun out, tweaked a few minor things & had the same results when he shot it.  He'd recommended that I try boring it to .243 Ackley Improved, I went for it.  When I went to pick the gun up the gunsmith apologized for shooting the rest of the box of ammo I gave him when I first dropped it off.  Then he pulled a target out with 12 or 13 shoots dead center.  He was shooting .243 Federal Premium 100 grain BTSP & fire forming .243 AI brass.  He said he couldn't believe how accurate it was, then he shot it 10 more times with an extremely hot barrel trying to get a flyer, he ran out of ammo without getting a shot that wouldn't stay in a 1/2 " hole.  I still have that gun, it needs a trigger & a longer barrel, but I really want a Browning 1885 High Wall.
  
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Reply #29 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 4:00pm
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I haven't had any experience with recoil reducers, but that's a good possibility.  I'd like some hard data on their effectiveness, not just manufacturer's claims.  I'll do a little research, maybe it's another answer..  I could always have a .25-06 rebored to .25-06 Ackley Improved if it did;t shoot well as a .25-06!
  
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