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Recommended Gunsmiths for Re-chambering a Browning
Jul 29th, 2015 at 1:33am
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I want to find a gunsmith that can convert a Browning 1885 or B-78 to .25 WSSM.  I also need to know what caliber of Browning 1885 or B-78 to start with.
I know there are lots of anti WSSM folks out there, but I have undergone 3 cervical spine surgeries & am very sensitive to recoil.  I have a Browning A-Bolt Varmint Stalker in .25 WSSM, it has virtually no recoil & slaps the life out of South Texas whitetails, feral hogs, etc, but I prefer a single shot rifle.
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:24am
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You might find one in 25-06. Check the felt-recoil tables. May be close enough to the 25WSSM to work for you. Same with the .257 Roberts and .243WCF. From what I've read, the major knock on the 25WSSM is that it is one of the worst "barrel burners". Even more so than the .243. But, if that is what you need then go for it. 

Any of the well known quality gunsmiths, like John Taylor and Steve Durren, who post here, could do the work. But, you will either need to start with a 25cal barrel or have them put a new one on the rifle. Even if you start with a 25-06 or .257 you need to set it back a substantial amount for the much shorter 25WSSM. Plus, you will likely have to purchase or rent the reamer, as it is an uncommon chambering.

There is another post where someone found a new Winchester "trapper" model 1885. They have a short barrel, but was under $700 in 38-55. That would make a good starting point. And, who knows? You might find it an excellent deer rifle as a 38-55 for shooting 200yd and less.
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Re: Recommended Gunsmiths for Re-chambering a Browning
Reply #2 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:53am
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He's hunting in South Texas, it's wide and flat.  There might be a feeder at 200 yards but the only shot might be several times that distance and tracking a bleeding deer through black brush with rattlesnakes and cactus as thick as glitter on a pole dancer is to be avoided if at all possible.

Any centerfire caliber Browning or Winchester 1885 Highwall will do as a starting point.  CDNN Investments has three styles for $800 - $1,000.  A new barrel and you are ready to hunt.
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Reply #3 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 11:44am
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bear in mind that the Miroku-made revisions of the Hi/low-wall JMBrowning/Winchester 1885 have a bunch of internal revisions and most general/local gunsmiths who are following the dis/re-assembly procedures for the original 1885 can find themselves in a mess in short order.   There ARE experienced full service gunsmiths who can do an excellent job on them.  John Taylor and Steve Durren come to mind quickly and I am sure there are others. They probably have pretty heavy work loads so time/cost will need to be figured into your decisions.

Since you live in Texas I'd suggest that you might contact "TexasMac" here on the ASSRA website.   he is the man who "wrote the book" on these Miroku-wals especially the BPCR and Creedmoor and related versions.  He may have a handle on someone more local who can do a reliable job. 

Something else to consider might be one of the Miroku lo-wals factory chambered in the 260 Remington cartridge --its a basically a .264/6.5mm (.257 bore) necked down 308 win--originally designed as a low-recoil high-power target cartridge.  With the proper fast twist it can really reach out with high B.C bullets.  (It also works real well in the Browning short action BLRs)  It might do what you want, right out of the box.
  If you run across one--and don't choose to go that way----let me know,  I've been wanting one for a long time. Wink
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 12:24pm
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Thanks for all your comments, there is a lot of mis-information out there on the .25 WSSM, most of it is not based on fact, I have a bolt action .25 WSSM & it has been shot quite a bit, it shows no signs of associated with "barrel burners".   
I have had numerous rifles .25-06 & recently shot my son's Browning B-78 in .25-06 to see if I could handle shooting a .25-06 & compare it to the .25 WSSM.  The .25-06 has mild recoil, but it's got just a tad more than the .25 WSSM, after two shots I was finished shooting the .25-06.  I have a titanium plate in my neck from C-3 to C-7 & if I try to move more than it wants me to or if I shoot anything with too much recoil, it lets me know right away by hurting.  I was stuck in bed for three days after shooting my son's .25-06 two times.  I really wished I could shoot a .25-06 since Browning Single Shot rifles are available on the used market & would be much less expensive.
I'm confused about what caliber Browning Single Shot I need to start with.  I thought I would have to find a rifles chambered for a smaller caliber than the .25 WSSM so that the chamber could be bored out to .25 WSSM, but some of the rifles suggested are in calibers much larger than the .25 WSSM, how would work?   
By the way SAAMI lists the .25 WSSM @ 65,000 psi and the .25-06 Remington @ 53,000 psi, so I'm not sure about Low Walls.

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Reply #5 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 3:29pm
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Muzzle brake and recoil reducer in the stock should tame a 25-06 down a lot.
  

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Reply #6 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 4:06pm
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If indeed you are considering other options, take a look at the .257Robt's, both std & AI. Having shot and chrono'd several hundred of rounds thru it, I have the utmost respect for it.
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 4:21pm
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Sounds like you're set on the .25 WSSM, but if recoil is a concern, I'd sure consider a factory chambered .243, as it would be even easier on your shoulder, and not give up much over the .25 WSSM. I've taken a lot of deer with the .243 at long ranges (300+ yds.) and it did a great job for me. Probably a big savings in purchasing it too.
  

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Reply #8 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 7:00pm
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I'm confused about what caliber Browning Single Shot I need to start with.  I thought I would have to find a rifles chambered for a smaller caliber than the .25 WSSM so that the chamber could be bored out to .25 WSSM, but some of the rifles suggested are in calibers much larger than the .25 WSSM, how would work?  
By the way SAAMI lists the .25 WSSM @ 65,000 psi and the .25-06 Remington @ 53,000 psi, so I'm not sure about Low Walls.
Thanks,
Tim

A 25-06 barrel would work, but the length of the 25-06 case (necked down 30-06) is much longer than the very short 25WSSM case. As a result, though they are both 25cal, the barrel must be "set back" to shorten the chamber length enough that the new reamer can be used to clean up the chamber. Don't have the two case lengths at hand, but am guessing the barrel will need to be set-back about 1.5". IIRC, the 25-06 barrels on the various 1885 models were 28" in length, so you have plenty of length to work with.

You might also consider a Ruger No.1B. They were also made in 25-06 and came with a 26" long barrel. Same thing there............ after setting back and rechambering in 25WSSM the barrel will still be about 24.5" long.

One possible problem may be how heavy the barrel is. You may find that the wall thickness on a set-back barrel is not thick enough to contain the very high pressure of the 25WSSM, as you've listed. The safe route would be to go with a new barrel with the needed wall thickness at the chamber. Any of the barrel makers should be able to give you guidance on same.
  

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Re: Recommended Gunsmiths for Re-chambering a Browning
Reply #9 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 12:10am
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I think the way Togo is with a standard 244 Remington B-78 and install a muzzle brake.  Shoot 85 grain bullets.  I have a Remington XP-100 pistol in 243 AI with a brake and it is pleasant to shoot.  Not sure if a pistol wouldfillyour needs but it would eliminate the neck jarring recoil.  An XP-100 in 6x284 is a great hunting rig and with a brake pleasant to shoot. My 243AI has a 16" bull barrel and might be the straightest shooting iron I own.  Tom
  
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Reply #10 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:29am
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First of all ban all muzzle breaks. All a muzzle break does is take the recoil you can’t handle and spread out the pain to the shooters on either side of you. It’s kind of like the guys who are too lazy to put a brass catcher on their ARs and shower you with hot brass. 
Choose a more appropriate chambering maybe 25-35 or 25-20 repeater or 25-20SS. Choose a caliber that you can handle instead of making your problem everybody else’s problem

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Reply #11 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 9:23am
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40_Rod wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:29am:
First of all ban all muzzle breaks. All a muzzle break does is take the recoil you can’t handle and spread out the pain to the shooters on either side of you. It’s kind of like the guys who are too lazy to put a brass catcher on their ARs and shower you with hot brass. 
Choose a more appropriate chambering maybe 25-35 or 25-20 repeater or 25-20SS. Choose a caliber that you can handle instead of making your problem everybody else’s problem

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You are correct about the noise of a muzzle brake, almost as bad as sitting to the right of a flint lock when it goes off, that crackling sizzle in the ear. The idea is to help relieve the recoil for some of us old farts that can't handle it anymore.
I think a 25-20 would be a little light for feral hogs.
  

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Reply #12 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 10:30am
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There is NO good reason to drill holes in your muzzle.

Only Three effective ways to tame recoil.

Well fitting stock
Heavy Gun
Light Bullet

Anything else is snake oil

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Reply #13 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 11:04am
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I agree that a muzzle brake is annoying to shooters on the firing line. But it's quite possible the OP's plan is a hunting rifle, so I doubt he'll have a line of shooters next to him very often.
  

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I tested several stiles of brakes many years back and found that the one I decided to make would reduce recoil on a 22" 308 by 50%. Some of the brakes on the market look great but don't work.
  

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