Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2  Send TopicPrint
Hot Topic (More than 10 Replies) Pro 300-MP (Read 10270 times)
jseines
Junior Member
**
Offline



Posts: 54
Joined: Mar 17th, 2011
Pro 300-MP
Jul 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm
Print Post  
Has anyone had any experience with Pro 300-MP powder...I have been using AA4100 in both my 32MS and 25 Hornet and am now down to 1/2# with none in-sight for the near or distant future...same for Ramshot Enforcer and #9...Thanks/John
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
frnkeore
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 7731
Location: Central Point, OR 97502
Joined: Jun 16th, 2010
Re: Pro 300-MP
Reply #1 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 12:57pm
Print Post  
I don't know how 300 MP will work but, a friend of mine uses 4227 in his 32 MS and does very well, he won the Mosesto ISSA regional with it.

Frank
  

ASSRA Member #696, ISSA Member #339
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
John Boy
Ex Member


Re: Pro 300-MP
Reply #2 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 1:34pm
Print Post  
J Louis has developed the 300-MP successfully with magnum primers.  Here's a 32-40 target
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
JLouis
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 10625
Joined: Apr 8th, 2009
Re: Pro 300-MP
Reply #3 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 3:47pm
Print Post  
I have had great success with the 300MP in my 32-40, 28-35 and 25-21. Since the day it first came out and was offered to the public I have gone through a tad over 64 pounds to date. If I can be of more assistance in regards to its use send me a PM and I would be more than happy to address any questions you might have. I have only used it for breach seating, if you intend to use it for fixed I can't be of any help to you.

JLouis
« Last Edit: Jul 15th, 2015 at 5:25pm by JLouis »  

" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
JLouis
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 10625
Joined: Apr 8th, 2009
Re: Pro 300-MP
Reply #4 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 6:12pm
Print Post  
Frank the winner of this years Modesto Rifle Clubs ISSA Regional held the first weekend in May 2015 in the Scope Bench Event was Jerry Cleave from the Central Sierra Schuetzen Club shooting a 25SS (Score 495-15 Best second target) while using H-108, I was second using 300Mp in my 28-35 ( Score 495-15) Modesto Rifle Club, Terry Harper was third using 4227 (Score 494-16) Modesto Rifle Club in his 33-47 and if you were referring to Tony H, Jefferson State Schuetzen Society he finished seventh (Score 490-11) shooting his 32MS.

The top three were all shooting traditional rifles by design.

JLouis

« Last Edit: Jul 15th, 2015 at 6:45pm by JLouis »  

" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
frnkeore
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 7731
Location: Central Point, OR 97502
Joined: Jun 16th, 2010
Re: Pro 300-MP
Reply #5 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 6:51pm
Print Post  
John, 
I didn't give the date but check back to 2014 and report the top 3. None of your guy's are shooting short cases and that's what the inquiry is about.

Frank
  

ASSRA Member #696, ISSA Member #339
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
Pentz
Senior Forum Member
****
Offline


Funf und Zwanzig mit den
Hut

Posts: 435
Location: Vancouver, WA
Joined: Sep 4th, 2014
Re: Pro 300-MP
Reply #6 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 8:41pm
Print Post  
PV has 8 pounders of AA9.  Yes I too would appreciate starting data for 32-20 and 300MP.
  

ASSRA Member Yoostabe # 11497
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
JLouis
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 10625
Joined: Apr 8th, 2009
Re: Pro 300-MP
Reply #7 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 10:22pm
Print Post  
The original question was in regards to anyone familar with the use of 300MP Frank and not what might be a better choice for the gentlemans 32MS and 25 Hornet. If it were he would have asked that question.

JLouis
  

" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
frnkeore
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 7731
Location: Central Point, OR 97502
Joined: Jun 16th, 2010
Re: Pro 300-MP
Reply #8 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 10:36pm
Print Post  
John,
Have you ever used 300 MP in a short case? Possibly a 33 cal?

If so, what was your result?

Frank
  

ASSRA Member #696, ISSA Member #339
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
JLouis
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 10625
Joined: Apr 8th, 2009
Re: Pro 300-MP
Reply #9 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 12:03am
Print Post  
Frank I have used it in the 33RKS Schuetzen the 357 Max case left full length and straight tapered to 33 and the 28 Darr again the 357 Max left full length and straight tapered to 28. It was not on the market when I had the 32MS. It provides less pressure than the other favorite / more popular Schuetzen powders but I still could not get the loads to where they needed to be velocity wise for best accuracy without incuring undesirable pressure limits. The last match I shot with the 28 Darr before I re-chambered it to 28-35 required using 11 cases to shoot two 10 shot targets due to extraction being impossible. Both it and the 33 shared the same problem, they both needed just a tad more powder to really excel but I just could not get
there with any of the powders, the 300MP got me the closest to where I needed to be by far but it still was not quite enough. I also had the same problem with the 32MS pre
300MP it also shot like a house a fire on the ragged edge of to much pressure and on those days when I needed just a tenth or more I simply could not get there. All of them would shoot outstanding one day and not at all the next.
I hope that answers your question if not let me know what else I can provide.

JLouis
« Last Edit: Jul 16th, 2015 at 11:23am by JLouis »  

" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
frnkeore
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 7731
Location: Central Point, OR 97502
Joined: Jun 16th, 2010
Re: Pro 300-MP
Reply #10 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 1:19am
Print Post  
John,
I've had no problems with pressure at all, in my 33 ELCO. It's similar to the 33 RKS that you had , using the full length Max case but, has a .30 long straight neck and a .12 freebore. Never any extraction problems, either. I get over 300 shots with single case loading. I shot the whole Spokane match with one case, over 300 shots (240 record shots, over 6 matches).

I don't have any sensitivity with pressure, I ran up to 14.5 gr of 300 MP (1540 fps) with my 242 gr bullet. My best accuracy with 300 MP was 1.5", five shot group @ 100. It also shot higher SD and ES's than my #9, both using Rem 7 1/2's.

Mine will only shoot well with AA#9, the fastest powder of those in common use. Twist rate is my limiting factor. It will shoot well at 13.0 gr (246 @ Modesto) but, with heavily tipped bullets and at 13.5 gr it shoots the best.

Frank
  

ASSRA Member #696, ISSA Member #339
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
JLouis
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 10625
Joined: Apr 8th, 2009
Re: Pro 300-MP
Reply #11 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 12:07pm
Print Post  
Your success is very interesting Frank and I am quite suprised the 300MP could not provide you with groups under 11/2" at 100yds.? Prior to setting the 5-5Shot 100yd. group average record I was consistently shooting averages of a 1/2" and under in my 32-40. Makes one wonder what would cause such a big seperation between your results and mine and it would be extremely interesting to actually know why?

JLouis


  

" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
frnkeore
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 7731
Location: Central Point, OR 97502
Joined: Jun 16th, 2010
Re: Pro 300-MP
Reply #12 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 12:34pm
Print Post  
IMO, the reason that 300 MP didn't work in my short case is that it's burn rate is to slow. It has the slowest burn rate of the powders that we use. If you look at match results for the small capacity cases, most are using #9, next comes 4100, Tony's 4227 is the slowest powder that has done well in the MS. I also tried Enforcer, 4227, 296 and VV110 in my 33 but, NONE would come close to #9 in my 33 ELCO.

My 30/30 Wesson has a larger case/bore ratio than the 33 ELCO but, it dosen't like #9 (?), it didn't start shooting until I first used Enforcer. I will try 300 MP in it and see how well it does. 4227, 296 and VV110, will also get their turn.

The #9 profomance was very disappointing in my 30/30 W, as I spent 2 years finding sources of it. I got my last 2 lb in Spokane last May and now I need Enforcer/4100 Sad

Frank

PS
As I remember, your 33 RKS kind of mirrored my 300 MP results but, yours at 200 and many 3+" groups when I was there.
« Last Edit: Jul 16th, 2015 at 12:40pm by frnkeore »  

ASSRA Member #696, ISSA Member #339
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
JLouis
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 10625
Joined: Apr 8th, 2009
Re: Pro 300-MP
Reply #13 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 6:55pm
Print Post  
Frank actually I ended up getting the 33RKS shooting extremely well at 200yds. but I had to push it hard and the cases would swell at the web and I got tired of fighting hard case extraction. Last I heard the 4100 isn't due to hit the states until Oct. Eventualy I would like to try some in my 25-21, I have very fortunate in that the 300MP shoots extremely well in all my rifles. I just picked up another 8lbs. recently and was getting a little nervous as I was getting down on my last 8lb. Jug and it has been non existant in the past two years. I retired my 32-40, the 28-35 I just recently finished building is now my go to rifle and I just got it shooting pretty consistant. Barrel is a 12 Twist Douglas, Bullet is a bore riding truncated nose design that Barry made for me and it weighs in at 160.3grs. Powder charge is 13.5grs. of 300MP and CCI 200 primers. The 25-21 I just recently picked up has a Douglas 10 twist, bullet is the 120gr. Mos, powder charge is 9.5grs. of 300MP and Wolf SR primers. My youngest grand daughter is thinking about shooting our matches and the bark with no bit will be just right for her. Taking her out in the morning for her first practice outing and holefully she will like it.

JLouis

  

" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
John Boy
Ex Member


Re: Pro 300-MP
Reply #14 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 9:47pm
Print Post  
Quote:
now I need Enforcer/4100

Ramshot Enforcer
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
Accurate 4100
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 
Send TopicPrint