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Reply #15 - Jun 30th, 2015 at 11:34pm
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When i was in my early teens, I helped dad restore an old portable forge..hand cranked gear driven bellows.  Dad invited an old blacksmith he used to work with over for a few days to give me a crash course in forging.  Later that summer, I shaped a tomahawk..lap-welding the blade around a mandrel for handle.  I used a silica sand/borax flux..forgot to wear gloves..that first hammer blow spewed molten flux everywhere..I still have the scars between fingers of right hand to show for it..but that weld was a perfect one & held.
  
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Reply #16 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 12:35pm
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Thank you so much for this find! Yup no gloves because your hands get abit tougher but mostly because iron and steel are relatively poor conductors of heat. One small aspect not shown is a dip in the tub to cool the section being held.

I thought the drawings of Damascus barrel making were not possible - they often show an "expanded view" of the process with the finished tube on one end of the mandrel then after a few turns of welded billets it fans out into individual billets. There was no way that could happen...JP
  
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Reply #17 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 1:57pm
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Can one imagine the cost to have a barrel done that way today? Shocked

I wonder if today's technology would allow for smokeless powder-type cartridges or it would still have to be BP?
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Reply #18 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 5:09pm
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I understand that Damascus Barrels are still available, but obviously not cheap given the amount of labour involved, most, if not all, are made in Europe.
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Reply #19 - Jul 2nd, 2015 at 9:45am
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Harry,
Other then for some reasons of restoration or need to achieve a "certain" look/appearance I see no reason to incorporate this archaic technology. 
Speaking in terms of utility, I will stick with today's barrel making technology.

One thing I did not see in the video and wondered how it was accomplished is the fluxing of the weld joints. As that is a must, was this just edited out of the video or am I just missing how that was accomplished? Without some kind of flux the welding would not be possible.
  
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Reply #20 - Jul 2nd, 2015 at 10:03am
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I question the lack of fluxing as well. At several points, the barrel was rubbed on a block of something by the anvil. Could that have been flux of some sort?
  

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Reply #21 - Jul 2nd, 2015 at 10:10am
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I would guess in those days the complete process was as highly guarded as that of the Coca-Cola formula is today. On the other hand who would want to work that hard, a labor of love I guess.

Have a friend who is a Parker shotgun collector that told me testing in recent years has shown Damascus barrels are as strong as modern steels. I suspect the bad rap is due to the large variation of chamber lengths and shooters using shells too long for the chamber.
  

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Reply #22 - Jul 2nd, 2015 at 2:54pm
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.22-5-40 wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 11:34pm:
When i was in my early teens, I helped dad restore an old portable forge..hand cranked gear driven bellows.  Dad invited an old blacksmith he used to work with over for a few days to give me a crash course in forging.  Later that summer, I shaped a tomahawk..lap-welding the blade around a mandrel for handle.  I used a silica sand/borax flux..forgot to wear gloves..that first hammer blow spewed molten flux everywhere..I still have the scars between fingers of right hand to show for it..but that weld was a perfect one & held.

Know what you mean.
Took an ornamental ironworking class (a fancy name for blacksmithing) one semester. 
We just used 20 Mule Team borax straight out of the box (no sand or anything else added to the borax) as the flux for all fire-welding lap joints.
You wear your leather gear and face shield, because as you said, the flux and slag impurities fly out of the joint at high speed and pressure with a noise like a gun shot.
The instructors always said that when it sounded like an active indoor shooting range, then they knew the students were getting good full-contact welds.
It was a great class, and impressed upon you the plastic nature possessed by iron and steel.

  

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Re: Damascus Barrel Making
Reply #23 - Jul 3rd, 2015 at 12:54am
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marlinguy wrote on Jun 29th, 2015 at 6:12pm:
... And the guys wiping the anvil off, right after the red hot metal went back in the furnace! Just like it was cool to the touch!

An anvil is actually one hell of a big heat sink.
If you keep your work on the anvil too long, you then have to spend more time with your work in the firebox bringing it back up to working temp, and you're wasting your heat source.
And you don't want your work continually going through wide temp fluctuations.

  

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