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Re: Schuetzen Benchrest Techniques
Reply #15 - Jun 19th, 2015 at 6:42pm
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Randy that pretty well sums it up.  I was thinking that the sled was in some kind of a rail but now I see it rests on the wooden block and like you state the rear bag keeps you inline.  I assume that the wooden block is bolted to the top of the rest.  Next question, is wood better than say a miniature cutting board of delrin?  Outside of the manufacturer listed above, where else might I find a sled?  I have a Borchardt and a Rolling Block with heavy contour barrels in 219 Zipper and 250 Savage that I can start practicing on until I find a dedicated rifle.  Many thanks guys.  Tom
  
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Reply #16 - Jun 19th, 2015 at 7:05pm
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I like that muzzle decoration. Wouldn't do it, but I like it. As for your descriptions- that's why I refer to 'em as skid plates. Just my version of having a knickname for everything like us old hotrodders did (do).
  
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Reply #17 - Jun 19th, 2015 at 7:10pm
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Joe, If I try to concentrate on the loud and fuzzy stuff, how will I know when the rifle goes off?
  
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Reply #18 - Jun 19th, 2015 at 8:03pm
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Tom I used a sled for years as I had high personnel goals I wanted to obtain at the time and it does have its advantages. I have since returned to a traditional scope and bag front rest. My top and sled were home brewed and in order for the windage to work with the sled surrounded all on four sides was I had to modify the top so it was free to rotate. Without the freedom for the top to rotate the windage was non existant as the sleds fit would not allow the barrel to move in a sideways motion. It worked extremely well in regars to guiding the barrel during recoil as well as returning it to battery. The rotation of the top was accomplished with a collar and two press fit bearings spaced apart to add rigidity. The first attempt was using one bearing and the top flooped around like a wounded frog. The end of the elevation stem was also turned dowm to be a press fit into both bearings and the collar holding the bearings was a press fit to the rest top. If you have questions please feel free to ask and I will do my best to try and answer them.

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Reply #19 - Jun 19th, 2015 at 8:14pm
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Tom if you have access to a lathe you can very easily make a sled like the one I pictured. I also now have several different size Delrin bushings for the various barrel diameters I now have. They also keep the barrel from being scratched / damaged. All though I don't use it anymore it is something I will probably hang onto or I would offer it to you.
  

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Reply #20 - Jun 19th, 2015 at 8:23pm
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calledflyer wrote on Jun 19th, 2015 at 7:10pm:
Joe, If I try to concentrate on the loud and fuzzy stuff, how will I know when the rifle goes off?


No need to concentrate on the loud and fuzzy. It's going to happen when you pull the trigger. Concentrate on being still and following through on the shot. And of course your wind flags. Lots of things to manage to get a good result. What I was trying to say is, when my rifle goes off it's just a blur for me. I cannot see it or feel it. Happens too fast for me. Cannot detect any twisting from my rifles. 

Suppose I could set up a camera to take video of a rifle twisting and bucking. Might be a way of adjusting a sled to the best position on the barrel. Somebody could.  Undecided

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Reply #21 - Jun 19th, 2015 at 8:29pm
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I might add that the sled rides on two pieces of 1/8" thick by 3/4" wide Delrin strips adhered to the rest top. The thought not only being the freedom of the sled being able to move during recoil but also to have only the outside edges bearing should there be any bowing of the sled when tourqed down on the barrel. The only regret I have is I put the recessed retaining screws coming up from the bottom so it would look pretty / no screws visible but its a pain in the behind to level the rifle on the restas I can't close my gun case without rotating it 90 degrees.

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Re: Schuetzen Benchrest Techniques
Reply #22 - Jun 19th, 2015 at 8:34pm
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The statement to place the sled ~ 6" from the muzzle is sound advise, as I see many shooting extremely well with their sled placed there.

But don't be afraid to experiment. My 33-47 and 25-20 WCF barrels both like their sled placed 1.125" from the muzzle. They both shoot pretty good there.

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Reply #23 - Jun 19th, 2015 at 8:38pm
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Joe I try to watch the bullet going through the target. Not really possible with my setup but it keeps my head down long after the bullet left the bore. I see alot of competitors who can't get to their spotting scope fast enough to see where their shot went once they yank on the trigger and in doing so its generaly not very pretty.
  

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Reply #24 - Jun 19th, 2015 at 8:44pm
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I have never seen a bullet go through a target when firing a rifle. .22 rifle, yes. Not a centerfire. The rifle and things are usually still moving when the bullet goes through the target. 

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Reply #25 - Jun 19th, 2015 at 9:01pm
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The lighting needs to be just right but I can see my .25 bullets on the way to the target some days. I never really see them go through the target though, but can get a pretty good idea of where the hole will be. 

Follow through is the key.

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Reply #26 - Jun 19th, 2015 at 9:13pm
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Joe, I just meant that the whole world is loud and fuzzy to me nowadays. I have a wife and grandchildren. Sometimes I think the girls ARE shooting in the back room. Cheesy
  
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Reply #27 - Jun 19th, 2015 at 9:16pm
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Joking aside, I have never seen a bullet hit at a hundred. I have seen the crap fly off the backside of the target backer, now and then. Through scopes, with slow bullets, not modern stuff.
  
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Reply #28 - Jun 19th, 2015 at 10:07pm
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If the rifle is setup to where the crosshairs will stay in the 25 ring when sliding the rifle back by hand you can indeed see the bullet punch a hole in the target. Dang near impossible with all the drop in the butt stock of a traditional style rifle. In the past 15years of competitive shooting I might have seen a half dozen maybe less. When it does happen it is something to see.
  

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Re: Schuetzen Benchrest Techniques
Reply #29 - Jun 19th, 2015 at 10:39pm
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I have been shooting pretty much euro-schuetzens and their stocks with the extreme drop and the rather massive protruding cheek-peices do present problems when shooting off the bags. I found that my existing bags were too short and had the wrong angle and I had to make a wooden wedge to go under them to position them anywhere near properly. and the front rabbit-ear would hit the bottom of the cheek-piece on recoil--even with a solid shoulder and grip just like I would hold when shooting offhand.  So over the winter I had Protektor create a special rear bag for me.  It is considerably taller at the base and has much more of a slope to accommodate the lower line of the germanic stock.  in addition is has longer ears, with a taller "rabbit-ear" on the back side and a much shorter "bunny-ear" on the front.  
 used in combination with a muzzle rest similar in functional design to RWS's on a delrin plate mounted in the "jaws" of my front rest it provides a great amount of stability that was lacking with my previous setup. Note too that the front rest is elevated considerably to provide clearance for the butt prong.  I also allows me to position my face "in" the rifle almost exactly like I do when shooting offhand.  without the muzzle rest the rifle would be exceedingly unstable.   
 I'm working on load development but I think the bench rest set up is working as I want. I'm not a benchrest shooter and this is mostly for developing and experimenting with potential offhand loads.   
At some point I may do a minor modification on another bag with a slightly wider "gutter" between the two ears.
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