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Low Wall finger lever droop
Jun 7th, 2015 at 1:58pm
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Hello to all,
I just purchased a Winchester low wall in 25/20 and it seems to be in pretty good shape, but I noticed that the finger lever has a little droop. it functions fine but I was just wondering if there was a way to titan up the lever. any help would be appreciated. Thanks Ray
  
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Re: Low Wall finger lever droop
Reply #1 - Jun 7th, 2015 at 2:32pm
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If a coil spring action, is the Finger Lever plunger and spring moving freely, or is there some old oil that's turned to sludge gumming up the movement of the parts?

If a leaf spring action, is the mainspring contacting both the tip of the lever and the hammer?

  

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Re: Low Wall finger lever droop
Reply #2 - Jun 7th, 2015 at 4:06pm
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It is a leaf  spring, I will have to pull the forearm off and see if it is contacting the lever and hammer. Thanks
  
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Re: Low Wall finger lever droop
Reply #3 - Jun 7th, 2015 at 8:10pm
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  Does it do that when it's empty, or just when a case is chambered?
  

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Re: Low Wall finger lever droop
Reply #4 - Jun 7th, 2015 at 9:00pm
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On a flat spring action, when the hammer is down the mainspring should only be touching the hammer. This downward pressure on the hammer and therefore the block is what keeps the lever from drooping. What usually happens is due to "adjustments" or wear, the mainspring will stop against the lever pivot pin. When this happens, the hammer is usually not held tight against the firing pin as well as the lever drooping. 

Another thing that can happen, as Jeff mentioned, is the block being too tight against a cartridge or the barrel itself. In this case the block gets wedged tight at its uppermost position and can't drop down to it's final closed position. A way to test for this is to close the action slowly and watch for the block to drop slightly at the end of its travel. If it doesn't, try pushing it down. If it goes down and the lever no longer droops you've found the problem. If the block does drop like its supposed to and the lever droops, look for the mainspring hitting the pivot pin.
  

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Re: Low Wall finger lever droop
Reply #5 - Jun 8th, 2015 at 9:43am
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Steve,
What's the cure for the lever spring hitting the hammer pivot pin?  Thanks. Bob
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 8th, 2015 at 12:54pm
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Once I cured the droop by simply checking the spring screw and tightening it. Anyhow it's worth checking before you head into the innards. Pat
  
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Re: Low Wall finger lever droop
Reply #7 - Jun 8th, 2015 at 3:28pm
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Steve it only droops when it has a case in it, and the barrel was relined before i got it. So could it be that they did not cut the chamber deep enough. It closes quit hard and the breach doesn't move down like you said. I can move it down with a pare of padded pliers and that takes most of the  droop out. Ray
  
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Re: Low Wall finger lever droop
Reply #8 - Jun 8th, 2015 at 5:22pm
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Ray,
It does sound like the chamber hasn't been cut deep enough. If you don't have a local 'smith you can trust, you can give me a call a Johnson's Sporting Goods, 517-265-2545 and we can discuss the problem.

Bob,
Sometimes all it takes is some grinding on the flat "pad" near the tip. The groove next to the rounded tip needs to remain because the tip of the lever goes in there when the action is fully open. This is the hold open detent. 
Sometimes the surface of the hammer where the spring bears is worn allowing the spring to go farther down. Sometimes this surface has been ground to smooth out the wear.
Sometimes the spring is bent.
  

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Reply #9 - Jun 8th, 2015 at 5:54pm
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Thank you, Steve!
  
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Re: Low Wall finger lever droop
Reply #10 - Jun 8th, 2015 at 7:22pm
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Steve if it won't hurt anything I would like to shoot it like that until this fall when the shooting season ends and then I will see what I can do to make it right. What do you think?
Ray
  
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Re: Low Wall finger lever droop
Reply #11 - Jun 8th, 2015 at 8:31pm
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I once bought a low wall with that problem and I found that the block on the barrel that holds the spring was the wrong one. I was supposed to be all original but I think it was a put together gun and the assembler did not know any better. When I put the correct block on it the problem went away. That was enough years ago I don't remember if it was too high or too low.
  
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Re: Low Wall finger lever droop
Reply #12 - Jun 8th, 2015 at 9:04pm
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Ray,
  I had one with that problem and I filed down the heads on the cases a few thou until they had proper head space then used a primer pocket uniformer to correct the primer pocket depth.
  

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Re: Low Wall finger lever droop
Reply #13 - Jun 9th, 2015 at 5:32pm
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Ray,
The gun is safe to shoot. Since you can close the action about the only real problem would be the action opening hard after firing. A few things may happen when you fire that would affect accuracy but not safety. 
The block may drop to its proper place when the hammer falls, sometimes, resulting in variable headspace.
The firing pin will be hitting off center, again sometimes.
So, yes you could shoot it for now and make everything "right" later.
Jeff's suggestion to thin the brass would work but you're modifying the brass for an incorrect chamber. If you're breech seating and only need a few cases, no big deal. If you want to load a bunch of fixed ammo, not as practical.
  

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Re: Low Wall finger lever droop
Reply #14 - Jun 11th, 2015 at 8:26pm
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Thanks Steve for all your input and everyone else as well. norb68
  
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