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Reply #30 - May 12th, 2015 at 10:27pm
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John - I got to this thread a bit late but here are a few bits I can contribute.
Pulled the rack and pinion tang sight of of my model 16 ‘82 and a couple standard elevating sights too. First, no question about the rack and pinion sight simply being a more refined standard elevating sight. My r&p staff has the same 0 - 43 gradients as you show. I also have a standard staff with many more and much finer gradients, almost too fine to see clearly. The staff on my r&p is stamped on the side facing the shooter just above the hinge, “Patented JAN 18 1876”. The Hadley eyecup is stamped, “PAT’D May 17 1887”. The eyecup is threaded 30TPI and the unthreaded portion mic’s .202 - nominally I guess 1/8”. It will pass through both a #5 (.209) and a #6 (.205) drill hole but not a #7.
You mention someone sell Maynard r&p repro tang sights several years ago. I think you must be thinking of those made in the Ukraine by Parts Unknown which is now known as Red River Sights and sold by Buffalo Arms. I have had one laid back for years. It is nicely made but the staff is wrong shape and the eyecup also is wrong, but the slider rack part is pretty close visually. I measured the threads on the eyecup @ 40TPI and the un-threaded portion is .190. If you would like to get a close look at these parts let me know tomorrow and I will bring them down Thursday. Looking forward to seeing you then. - Bob
  
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Reply #31 - May 13th, 2015 at 7:48am
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Bob, I'm familiar with the Ukranian sights sold by Sergio. The ones I mentioned were hand made by a guy who used to set up at the Baltimore antique gun show. His were exact copies of the original as close as he could make them with the correct knurling pattern and correct screw sizes. He was older than me and now that I'm old he doesn't seem to be at the show any more. I know who bought the last one the guy had. I can contact him for more information as to how close a copy it really is.

I'll see you over the weekend. I've got some new toys to show off at Bruce's place
  
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Reply #32 - May 13th, 2015 at 8:54am
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John,
     You are right in that my version of the sight appears to have been modified.  I never looked at it that close.  I just figured that the sight was made with different bases for different rifles.  The work of the base appears to have been done at the same time as the rest of the sight, so nothing jumped out.  The sight is on a Pope Ballard, so I suppose it could have been done by Pope, but there is no way to know for sure.   
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Reply #33 - May 13th, 2015 at 5:48pm
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Orin,
The markings begin .680" from the staff bottom with 0. Each small division is .020" long and each major division is .200". There are divisions to 120, that end at the top just at the beginning of the top arc but the markings end at 110. My second Maynard sight has no markings and CB reports that he has one with very fine markings, so there may be multiple variations in the venire scales.
I don't have a Hadley rack and pinion sight to give you the measurements to complete the project, but maybe they can be obtained from another forum member.
Rebel
Can you tell us the diameter of your eyepiece and the diameter of its screw. Also a picture of the back of the sight staff, with the eyepiece removed, would be much appreciated.
Bruce,CP, John and any other forum members. We are looking for the following photos and dimensions of the rack and pinion (R&P) mechanism:
Number of teeth on the rack per inch
Photos of the front and back of the R&P mechanism with and without the eyepiece.
Diameter of your eyepiece. CB reports a unthreaded diameter of .202" and 30 tpi. This is close to a 12-30 but a little small. Might be good to have a few more measurements of the thread diameter and pitch.
Diameter of the gear drive knob
The R&P mechanism should be .515" wide, We need the length to the bottom of the gear enclosure and the length of the front flat area above the gear drive.
Diameter of the gear housing.
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Reply #34 - May 21st, 2015 at 5:36pm
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How is this project progressing? 

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Reply #35 - May 21st, 2015 at 6:20pm
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ron wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 5:36pm:
How is this project progressing? 
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Ron,

I finished the changes that John and Otto have made and will send drawings to them this evening for a final check.

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Reply #36 - May 21st, 2015 at 8:00pm
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Thank you Orin.

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Reply #37 - May 21st, 2015 at 9:08pm
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Ron,
This project is being done in two parts, the standard tang sight and the Hadley rack and pinion tang sight. 
We found early on that Hadley simply added his patented rack and pinion mechanism to a standard Maynard tang sight. The dimensions to the standard sight were readily available, so that was the first sight modeled. 
There has been a slight delay in completing the project as all three of the forum members, who have an example of the Hadley R&P mechanism, have been out of town and unable to provide the needed dimensions.
In an attempt to achieve a historically correct model, we thought it best not to estimate the dimensions from the patent drawings, but to await for some hard data.
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Reply #38 - May 21st, 2015 at 9:59pm
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Guys,

Thought I'd get the revised drawings done this evening but something came up (not an emergency -  Smiley ) so it will be tomorrow or Saturday before I can get them done.

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Reply #39 - May 25th, 2015 at 7:02am
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Chipmaker

Thanks for the update. I am very interested in the rack and pinion model.   

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Reply #40 - Jun 8th, 2015 at 4:36pm
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Here is a picture of a Hadley rack and pinion tang sight. It  was printed in plastic from a solid model created from the soon to be available drawings.
Many thanks to all who provided the measurements from their sights especially Bruce, Bob and John.
I'll post close up photographs of the Hadley rack and pinion mechanism later this week.
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Reply #41 - Jun 9th, 2015 at 7:46am
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Your dimensions must be pretty close for it to look that good. I want to see the printed rack & pinion and see if it works. Those dimensions came from Leo Remiger.
  
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Reply #42 - Jun 9th, 2015 at 12:15pm
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John
The dimensions for the tang sight came primarily from Orin's sight above and the staff dimensions for the long range sight came from Leo.
The dimensions for the Hadley rack and pinion mechanism came primarily from you, Bruce and Bob.
Below are close up photographs of the rack and pinion mechanism.
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Reply #43 - Jun 9th, 2015 at 8:25pm
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chipmaker
nice development work. will you be making one form metal ? to all of you guys who provided the info, thank you.

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Reply #44 - Jun 10th, 2015 at 7:00am
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Ron that is really neat and really great work. However I do have a question, and I honestly don't mean to pick nits. When looking at  the pic that shows the rack and pinion, it looks to me like the pinion gear will only hit every other tooth on the rack. Am I seeing things right or is it just a little optical distortion from the pic?
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