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chipmaker Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 346 Location: san diego Joined: Sep 24^th, 2007	Re: Hadley Rear Sight Reply #15 - May 11^th, 2015 at 7:21pm	Print Post
	The more that I look at the Hadley sight, the more it looks like a standard sight with the rack milled into one side and a new geared center portion. We need someone who has a Hadley sight to provide some pictures and an answer to the question of whether the Hadley sight is a completely different sight or a modified standard tang sight. Also has anyone seen the "eyecup accessory" listed in the Maynard catalog? Otto


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762x51 Participating Member Offline Posts: 40 Location: Greensboro, NC Joined: Apr 8^th, 2015	Re: Hadley Rear Sight Reply #16 - May 11^th, 2015 at 7:37pm	Print Post
	Hi Otto, Are the angle and notch details that I have shown a couple of post back correct? Orin

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Rebel Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4292 Location: Rockets and Race Cars Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Hadley Rear Sight Reply #17 - May 11^th, 2015 at 8:27pm	Print Post
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Deadeye Bly Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1074 Location: Stephens City Joined: Feb 25^th, 2011	Re: Hadley Rear Sight Reply #18 - May 11^th, 2015 at 9:11pm	Print Post
	The Hadley eyecup accessory was what we know today as a Hadley eyecup on any sight. It had a disc that rotated with different size holes to give the shooter the ability to brighten the sight picture on dark days or to increase the depth of field on bright days. Some years ago there was a fellow who came to the Baltimore antique show who had made exact copies of the Maynard rack and pinion sight. I wish I had bought one. He said the most difficult thing about about making the sight was making the knurling tools. The knurl on the Maynard sight was a pattern of tiny raised round dots and not the diamonds that we are familiar with. I know the guy who bought the last one the maker had. I would like to know where those knurling tools ever went. I've got a rack and pinion sight but I'm tied up until next week to get it out and measure it. There was an extra tall rack and pinion sight for the long range #14 Creedmoor rifle. There was also a version of the standard sight with a wider windage sliding piece and adjusting screws on each side for more precise adjustments than just sliding the piece with your thumb.


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Deadeye Bly Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1074 Location: Stephens City Joined: Feb 25^th, 2011	Re: Hadley Rear Sight Reply #19 - May 11^th, 2015 at 9:35pm	Print Post
	Here's a picture of the Hadley eyecup accessory.


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Deadeye Bly Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1074 Location: Stephens City Joined: Feb 25^th, 2011	Re: Hadley Rear Sight Reply #20 - May 11^th, 2015 at 9:38pm	Print Post
	This is a picture of the windage adjustment on William McFarland's personal rifle. He was the superintendent of Maynard production for quite a while.


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Deadeye Bly Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1074 Location: Stephens City Joined: Feb 25^th, 2011	Re: Hadley Rear Sight Reply #21 - May 11^th, 2015 at 9:39pm	Print Post
	Here's a picture of the long range rack & pinion sight.


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762x51 Participating Member Offline Posts: 40 Location: Greensboro, NC Joined: Apr 8^th, 2015	Re: Hadley Rear Sight Reply #22 - May 11^th, 2015 at 9:43pm	Print Post
	Deadeye Bly wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 9:35pm: Here's a picture of the Hadley eyecup accessory. Would you mind posting a high resolution photo of the eyecup? Thanks, Orin

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chipmaker Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 346 Location: san diego Joined: Sep 24^th, 2007	Re: Hadley Rear Sight Reply #23 - May 12^th, 2015 at 3:13pm	Print Post
	Orin, Attached is a drawing of the notch details. The sight staff is positioned to the right. The angles are 16 and 5 degrees. It looks as if the notch could be made by running a .093" ball mill straight across. DB I wonder if several eyecups were offered for the Maynard sights. The eyecup in the picture of the long range sight and another in the 1885 Maynard catalog doesn't look like the Hadley eyecup. Rebel, Is the eyecup on your sight a Hadley eyecup. What is the thread size and did they drill and tap the hole in the standard tang as shown in the pictures above or is it attached in a different manner? Otto


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Rebel Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4292 Location: Rockets and Race Cars Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Hadley Rear Sight Reply #24 - May 12^th, 2015 at 4:28pm	Print Post
	Otto, No it's not a Hadley. I'm a Maynard novice but I think it's the optional Maynard eyepiece. As you can see from my first pic, the sight is windage adjustable. ( or at least the eyepiece is) It's not a threaded eyepiece, a small screw mounts it onto the sight's elevation slider. The rifle is on display at a friend's gun shop; I'll go there tomorrow and get some pics and dimensions if you wish. BTW, the hammer now falls with some help from Mr. Bly. I have also corrected the sights cant, it was on backwards in this pic. Larry Romano was going to send me the takedown lever and retainer, but he seems to have vanished.
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Bnelson Full Member Offline Posts: 174 Location: Lower Michigan Joined: Jan 5^th, 2009	Re: Hadley Rear Sight Reply #25 - May 12^th, 2015 at 5:04pm	Print Post
	Here are a few pictures of the sight that I think you want. As you can see, it is similar to the Maynard sight, but is also different, primarily in the spring that it uses on the base. Bruce


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762x51 Participating Member Offline Posts: 40 Location: Greensboro, NC Joined: Apr 8^th, 2015	Re: Hadley Rear Sight Reply #26 - May 12^th, 2015 at 5:16pm	Print Post
	Thanks to all for their help with this project especially Otto the "Chipmaker". I'll complete the detailed drawings, probably this evening and forward a copy to Chipmaker for him to check against the sight he has. Once he gets back to me with any corrections I will send the package to the ASSRA archivist and you will be able to obtain a set from him. Attached is the first drawing of the set. Orin

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Deadeye Bly Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1074 Location: Stephens City Joined: Feb 25^th, 2011	Re: Hadley Rear Sight Reply #27 - May 12^th, 2015 at 5:28pm	Print Post
	Bruce, that's a Maynard sight that has been modified and adapted with a new base to a Ballard. It looks as if it was cut at the top and a piece fitted to it. Now that I've had some time to think, there was a small eyepiece about 3/4" diameter that screwed into the windage plate on the standard sight. The thread was about a #7 size. This was probably the eyepiece accessory. I think the Hadley eyepiece was always referred to as the Hadley eyepiece. The rack and pinion sights had a larger eyepiece as noted previously. Sorry, I can't supply a better picture of the Hadley eyepiece. I don't have it. The picture was sent to me several years ago.


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Hadley Rear Sight Reply #28 - May 12^th, 2015 at 6:10pm	Print Post
	Deadeye Bly wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 9:35pm: Here's a picture of the Hadley eyecup accessory. Deadeye Bly, Do you happen to know what the thread specs are on the stem of the Hadley eyecup accessory used with the original Maynard sights? Reason I ask is I have two of the Hadley eyecups, one came on an old Stevens tang sight, and the other I picked up loose long ago. The major thread diameter is common on both eyecups, but the pitch is different.

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Deadeye Bly Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1074 Location: Stephens City Joined: Feb 25^th, 2011	Re: Hadley Rear Sight Reply #29 - May 12^th, 2015 at 8:50pm	Print Post
	BP, no I don't know the thread size. I'll check it next week for you after the N-SSA national which starts tomorrow. It will be for a standard rack and pinion sight, The Hadley eyecup was a direct replacement I suppose. Mass Arms used some odd threads but no more than any other manufacturer. Some screws were metric threads. People tell me I'm full of crap when I tell them that but I've measured some of those threads on an optical comparator and reproduced them and they fit.


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