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Hammerless Hepburn anyone ?
Mar 31st, 2015 at 9:43am
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Just curious, has a spring driven striker breech block ever been attempted in a Hepburn action ???
Or are the working parameters too awkward ???
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Reply #1 - Mar 31st, 2015 at 10:02am
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I've seen or heard of any attempt for a hammerless breechblock. The lock time is already pretty fast and they can be speed-locked so I'm not sure what the advantage would be. I think it would be a fix for a problem that doesn't exist. The only change to the breechblock I'm aware of is a change to the angle of the firing pin.
On another note, I've been curious about the striker breechblocks that Arthur Hubalek used in his Ballards. Did those Ballards shoot any better?
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 31st, 2015 at 10:03am
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Correction; "I've NEVER seen or heard...."
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 31st, 2015 at 10:07am
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That would be a tough proposition. Hepburn uses a spring and rebounding hammer to retract the firing pin. Maybe some sort of manually operated plunger firing pin, but don't see the advantage.
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Reply #4 - Mar 31st, 2015 at 10:15am
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.22Hepburn wrote on Mar 31st, 2015 at 10:02am:

On another note, I've been curious about the striker breechblocks that Arthur Hubalek used in his Ballards. Did those Ballards shoot any better?


Considering how few exist, my guess would be they weren't a big improvement. Like the Hepburn, the lock time on a Ballard is pretty quick, and the Hubalek conversion wouldn't make a huge improvement.
  

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Reply #5 - Mar 31st, 2015 at 10:28am
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I have several Ballards with the Pope hammer conversion (speed-locked, lightened hammer, self-cocking) and with the improved lock-time it's hard to imagine that the striker breechblock would be that much of an advantage. I had the opportunity to buy one of the Hubalek Ballards but passed since I couldn't shoot the rifle in .22 BPCR Silhouette matches.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 31st, 2015 at 10:44am
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Chuckster wrote on Mar 31st, 2015 at 10:07am:
That would be a tough proposition. Hepburn uses a spring and rebounding hammer to retract the firing pin. Maybe some sort of manually operated plunger firing pin, but don't see the advantage.
Chuck

I guess I was thinking in terms of the firing pin angle being so steep.
I remember reading about the pin tips sticking in the primer at times,and braking off .
The lock time would probably be hard to improve on.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 31st, 2015 at 12:00pm
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it's hard to imagine that the striker breechblock would be that much of an advantage.


Competitive shooters are "competitive" shooters. If there was a striker Hepburn out there that was winning matches, rather than the above quote, it would be "how do I get one", "who would be willing to sell me one"?

That is the reason that there are so many Millers on the line, people in competition will not give up anything.

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Reply #8 - Mar 31st, 2015 at 12:57pm
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And don't forget the typical US shooter who after all these years still think that a rifle isn't complete without and external hammer...  A good striker action will always be quicker, no way around it.  How much of that is needed for your game, that's another thing.
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 31st, 2015 at 3:21pm
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Many shooters have no choice but to go with an action with an exposed hammer. Several disciplines do not allow hammerless actions.
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 31st, 2015 at 7:41pm
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Over many decades and centuries of competitive shooting, shooters have always looked for an edge to win more. Especially those at the top of the heap, who's skills have been so finely honed that only better guns and equipment will allow them to have a slight advantage. 
If it fits in the rules, and they shoot better with some change, they'll make sure they've got whatever it is that helps them win!
  

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Reply #11 - Mar 31st, 2015 at 8:23pm
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One of our better shooters created a striker block for a Lo-wall some years back,  very creative and unique. It may have been written up in the Journal  but he seldom uses it anymore.    but the rifle he is using now is a very low production custom action that may also be a striker.

I'd posit that you;d have to look at the differences between offhand and dedicated bench rifles and action usage.   I'd think that a faster lock time would be a significant advantage in offhand shooting, but other than Martinis, I don't see many striker actions in play (at least at EG)  I get the impression that the offhand game seems to appeal more to "traditionally-oriented" shooters.
I know that in other areas there are offhand shooters who are using Millers etc  At EG I don't think I have ever observed a Miller in use for offhand.

And also consider all the other factors that go into a winning score, quality loads and condition management skills.  I'd dare say that any of the top shooters could take your rifle and your loads at your bench and beat you with your own gear.
  

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Reply #12 - Apr 1st, 2015 at 8:21pm
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The Hepburn is just about perfect in stock form. Angled firing pin and all. Would be sad if someone would take something so nearly perfect and mess with it. Next thing someone will want a semi-auto Hepburn.
  

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Reply #13 - Apr 1st, 2015 at 9:58pm
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Why not convert a striker action to operate with a side lever?    Wink

  

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Reply #14 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 4:44am
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SSShooter wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 8:21pm:
The Hepburn is just about perfect in stock form. Angled firing pin and all. Would be sad if someone would take something so nearly perfect and mess with it. Next thing someone will want a semi-auto Hepburn.

While I do consider the Hepburn to technically have its positivie points, aesthetics isn't its strong point in my eyes - but then again, coming from a guy who thinks martini's are petty nice...   Wink
Ergonomically, for LR work, there is way too much drop in the stock for me.
  
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