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Reply #15 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 6:45am
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"Ergonomically, for LR work, there is way too much drop in the stock for me."   All Hepburns were not created equal. The typical A Grade Hepburns were made for 200 yd shooting. Remington made Creedmoor-style stocks for their rifles for long-range shooting. They also made them with crescent, shotgun, and Schuetzen buttplates.
  
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Reply #16 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 9:46am
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SSShooter wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 8:21pm:
The Hepburn is just about perfect in stock form. Angled firing pin and all. Would be sad if someone would take something so nearly perfect and mess with it. Next thing someone will want a semi-auto Hepburn.

I would agree it's form works well for tang mounted peep sights; but putting a scope on one might result in a visit to the Chiropractor , unless a shooter could be classified as a "pencil necked geek" Grin
  
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Reply #17 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:06am
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MartiniBelgian wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 4:44am:

While I do consider the Hepburn to technically have its positivie points, aesthetics isn't its strong point in my eyes - but then again, coming from a guy who thinks martini's are petty nice...   Wink
Ergonomically, for LR work, there is way too much drop in the stock for me.


Hepburns seem to have loyal followers who love them, or those who think they're aesthetically ugly. I fall into the first category of those who think they're neat! I do agree that a scoped Hepburn with factory stock is not always comfortable for every shooter. When I built my Hepburn barreled action up, I chose to have Dave Crossno carve me a set of his silhouette style stocks for it, and went with a larger Sharps checkered steel buttplate. I like Remingtons, but have always thought my sporters with original buttplates were way to narrow and small at the buttplate for any larger caliber. One of mine is in .44-77SBN, and even with the heavy 34" full octagon barrel, the factory buttplate feels uncomfortable after a few shots.
  

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Reply #18 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 8:53am
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Need to qualify my former statement in that it did not extend to the factory stock, unless you have one with the higher comb and shotgun buttplate, which were not plentiful. My Hebpurns (40-65, 38-50 & .22LR) are all with new wood, so the comb is as tall as is allowed by the rules and are most comfortable to shoot. The side lever is very 'handy' for shooting from the prone position as the rifle does not need to be rotated in order to open the action as is often the case with a lever on the bottom of the action, like a High Wall or Sharps. Shoot mine with both a Hoke tang sight and an MVA scope with no problems.
  

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Reply #19 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 4:00pm
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Side lever, striker action is called a hall, Smiley Smiley
  
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Reply #20 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 9:43pm
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Deely & Edge also offered a side lever, striker fired action dating from around 1882, or so. There is a nice restoration article in one of the more recent issues of BCN.
  

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Reply #21 - Apr 4th, 2015 at 9:17am
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  Deely & Edge does not have a striker, but a concealed hammer.
  

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Reply #22 - Apr 4th, 2015 at 2:13pm
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Indeed, you are correct.
  

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Reply #23 - Apr 4th, 2015 at 4:11pm
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There are very few who have the talent to first design and then to make a working striker breach block for any exposed hammer rifle but there are a few who have done just that. Why not on a Hepburn one could only assume it has never been known to have been a first rate bench rifle making the others out there a more suitable choice.
  

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Reply #24 - Apr 5th, 2015 at 7:11pm
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JLouis wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 4:11pm:
There are very few who have the talent to first design and then to make a working striker breach block for any exposed hammer rifle but there are a few who have done just that. Why not on a Hepburn one could only assume it has never been known to have been a first rate bench rifle making the others out there a more suitable choice.

New member 'High Noon' might disagree with your last sentence on shooting a Hepburn from the bench. My CBA shooting friend, who shoots a modern Hepburn, might as well.
  

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Reply #25 - Apr 5th, 2015 at 8:29pm
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old saying, "it ain't the bow, its the Indian"  probably not PC any more---but still pretty damn valid

there is probably someone out there quietly shooting good groups with a side hammer Sharps too.  And I have been told there were a few original era custom Schuetzen-rifle Sharps created for the western branch of the sport.
  

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Reply #26 - Apr 6th, 2015 at 9:29am
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Not saying one can't shoot good bench scores with a Hepburn, Tony Heitz does just that. Simply saying it is not as popular as the others for such work. In 15 years of serious cast bullet benchrest competition Tony's is the only one I have ever seen on the line. The conversation was in regards to striker breach blocks and why no one had converted a Hepburn but they have converted others. Popularity of other designs could play a part in answereing that question. Bottom line still is there are not many who can design and build a working striker breach block for a Hepburn or any of the more popular designs for that matter. I believe Steve Durren would be one and Connie Grimms has. I would think the length of the breach block mortice could be a limiting factor on most designs with the exception being the Ballard. One of the fellows that shoots at Etna Green, Dale Reynolds I believe, please correct me if I am wrong has also successfully designed and built a striker conversion. I do not remember on which action it was created on?

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