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Barrel to Block Clearance for Win. Highwall
Mar 22nd, 2015 at 8:36pm
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What is the preferred breech-block to Barrel fit, or clearance, for a winchester highwall? I have heard two different stories that it should be an interference fit and also that there should be a small clearance. Which is correct? I understand that on the leaf-spring action, at least, the breech-block rises and then drops a small amount on closing the lever and this supposedly helps to hold the lever tight up against the tang. There would therefore need to be a small clearance between the barrel and the breech block for this to occur. However, if the breech block is used to cam-in a cartridge would this then constitute an "interference" condition and the breech-block would then not drop slightly to hold the lever up? This would mean too that a high-strike on the primer would likely result?
  
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Re: Barrel to Block Clearance for Win. Highwall
Reply #1 - Mar 24th, 2015 at 9:16pm
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Unless there is excessive wear in the link's pin holes,  the link should force/pull down on the breechblock(BB) to"drop back down" to its final position as it goes 'over center" in its travel, assuming the lever is able to be fully closed, even tho there may be slight interference fit of BB to barrel face at the fully closed position or the interference fit  of a long seated bullet in the throat as one closed. . 
My suggestion is to have a 3-4 thousandths clearance
between BB and barrel face when action is fully closed.
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Re: Barrel to Block Clearance for Win. Highwall
Reply #2 - Mar 25th, 2015 at 11:51am
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Frank deHaas recommends a tight breech for falling blocks. His recommendation for the high wall and low wall is 0.001" clearance.
  

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Re: Barrel to Block Clearance for Win. Highwall
Reply #3 - Mar 25th, 2015 at 12:07pm
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I'm working with a new Wyoming Armory/MVA highwall action. I measured the amount of play in the linkage/block travel and its about 0.015". At least this is the amount of play in the breech block after the lever is closed up against the tang. There does not appear to any excessive clearance between the link pins and the block and lever. I guess it just adds up and maybe this amount is not really considered "excessive"?

I like the idea of minimal block-to-barrel clearance, maybe .001-.002". Anymore than this and I would think you would have to then consider how deep to make the rim recess depth. If you wanted more barrel-block clearance then one might have to consider maybe making the rim recess depth shallower where the case-head remains a little broud of the end of the barrel to minimize head-space issues. What is customary to do here?

  
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Reply #4 - Mar 25th, 2015 at 3:45pm
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I just went and stuck feeler gauges in three original flatspring centerfire 'walls and they varied a little. The best shooter, a .32-40, had the biggest clearance at .012, the the other pair were right at .009. They may, just may, have been closer a hundred and twenty years ago. None show any bad characteristics like stretching the cases or such. At least not with mild loads. The .30-40 shoots factory ammo to get it's own cases for reloading and never needs trimming afterward with only neck sizing.   Pat
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 25th, 2015 at 7:24pm
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If you load with the bullet into the rifling a bit, and the block then tends to cam the cartridge in, this will help keep head-space to zero or a minimum.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 25th, 2015 at 7:45pm
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Depends on what the rifle will be used for? Hunting rifles typicaly have more headspace than you would want  a Target rifle to have. A little dirt or dust with a .001 clearance in hunting conditions and the action wouldn't close but it would be fine for target work.
  

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Re: Barrel to Block Clearance for Win. Highwall
Reply #7 - Mar 25th, 2015 at 11:14pm
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Maybe I don't understand, but block to barrel clearance is not critical within reason. If you have .012" clearance between the block and barrel and the barrel is chambered so the cartridge rim projects .010", then you have .002" headspace clearance. Conversely, if the block and barrel is tight and the barrel is chambered deeply, then you have unknown headspace clearance.

That said, I like the block to barrel clearance to be snug and just slightly tighter on a cartridge. The over center drop of a hi-wall block would add less than .001" to the headspace clearance.
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Re: Barrel to Block Clearance for Win. Highwall
Reply #8 - Mar 26th, 2015 at 12:18am
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Chuckster wrote on Mar 25th, 2015 at 11:14pm:
Maybe I don't understand, but block to barrel clearance is not critical within reason. If you have .012" clearance between the block and barrel and the barrel is chambered so the cartridge rim projects .010", then you have .002" headspace clearance. Conversely, if the block and barrel is tight and the barrel is chambered deeply, then you have unknown headspace clearance.

That said, I like the block to barrel clearance to be snug and just slightly tighter on a cartridge. The over center drop of a hi-wall block would add less than .001" to the headspace clearance.
Chuck

Agree. There have been quite a few varying barrel to block measurements provided... just how do the final headspace measurements come out?

  

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Re: Barrel to Block Clearance for Win. Highwall
Reply #9 - Mar 26th, 2015 at 7:40am
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Hey everyone, sorry this got confusing but I was not suggesting that there was an issue with excessive clearance developing between the end of the barrel and the breech block when the breech block goes over center and drops down upon closing the lever (although this is interesting). I was originally asking what the best practice should be for this fit up, either to include some clearance here or to produce an interference fit, between the barrel and block. I also mentioned that, because there is some play in my lever-to-block linkage of 0.015", that the block may not drop down by this amount if there is an interference condition say due to no clearance or when camming in a cartridge. The discussion went on to include how the rim recess depth should vary, with regards to the barrel-to-block clearance, to maintain a small head-space condition.
  
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