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Ruger No 1 buttstock glass bedding
Mar 22nd, 2015 at 11:07am
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Can anyone recommend the locations I should be
bedding on the stock around the tang?
The rifle seems to have a slight vertical looseness.
ends of the stock seem to have a very even darkened area/ "imprint" I presume I should bed those areas.

Should I bed the rounded projections
that fit into action mortice?

And how about the ends of the tang or elsewhere?

I am concerned that i do not somehow lock the stock onto the action. 
thanks for any help, 
especial thanks if someone has a couple pics of
bedding the No 1 Ruger.
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Re: Ruger No 1 buttstock glass bedding
Reply #1 - Mar 24th, 2015 at 9:04pm
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Reply #2 - Mar 24th, 2015 at 9:39pm
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If you blacken the contact areas of the metal with several applications of magic marker. Let the ink dry, then tighten the draw bolt good and hard. Then if you loosen it and then careful remove the stock straight away form the action the wood should show the imprint of the inked metal clearly.  Often the dried ink will be wiped off on the metal as well.
  This should show you clearly where the metal is fitting against the wood and where it is not. Judicious careful scraping away ONLY the ink stained wood then repeating the process until the ink print shows FULL gap free contact will let you carefully gain a full solid stock to metal fit. 
If that is done properly, glass bedding should not really be required though some would apply a thin coat of thinned epoxy simply to strengthen and seal the end grain
  

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Reply #3 - Mar 24th, 2015 at 9:45pm
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I personally like to glass bed stocks that use through bolts. Not just to get perfect contact, but because the through bolt can pull against the end grain, and the pressure will often create cracks. By glass bedding (even where there's not contact) it strengthens the wood, and helps it survive and avoid cracks.
I do this with all my Ballards that get shot much. It stops existing cracks, and avoids future cracks.
  

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Reply #4 - Mar 24th, 2015 at 9:58pm
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In that case I would also recommend glass bedding the wood where the head and washer of the draw bolt contact the wood.   
  I'm perfectly comfortable with glass bedding for sealing and reinforcement.  I just prefer to do it once the wood has been well fitted before hand. 
I'm sure no one on the site here would do it but I have seen an awfully lot of really ugly rifles where bedding compound has been over used rather than doing a decent job stock fitting to start with.  Proper glass bedding and or CA grain saturation can have a real role in getting a good fitting stock, or salvaging an abused or worn original if iis done carefully and judiciously.      Just one man's humble opinion of course.
  

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Reply #5 - Mar 25th, 2015 at 7:56pm
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Lipstick works better for hand bedding the butt stock than does a majic marker, just don't let the Lady of the house catch you.

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Reply #6 - Mar 25th, 2015 at 8:53pm
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I used to use lipstick  but I found that the dyed-grease in it penetrated the woodgrain---especially in warm weather.    I REALLY screwed up a nice fiddleback maple flintlock blank I was inletting that way.  I salvaged it with a lot of fine scraping but had to go with a real dark stain had it looking more "original" than I had planned.
  

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Reply #7 - Mar 25th, 2015 at 10:18pm
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I don't like to put any glass on the end of the tank where it curves.  My observation has been that any stock compression at that point can start a crack.  I put 1 layer of masking tape on the curved part of the tang and trim before I apply the release agent.  I want all of the pressure on the flat part when the rifle is set down hard or is in recoil.  jmho
  

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Reply #8 - Mar 26th, 2015 at 8:56am
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I have heard of a modification on heavy recoiling rifles that do not have a draw-bolt stock attachment, but do have a tang-bolt that connects the upper and lower tangs. 
That is to inlet and permanently glass-bed a length of square steel stock that has been through-drilled as a bushing for clearance of the tang-bolt to serve as a "recoil lug".  I'm not sure if it is really needed if the rest of the action is properly fitted to properly selected wood.  But it might be a "belt AND suspenders" approach Wink
  

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Reply #9 - Mar 26th, 2015 at 10:03am
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Its unlikely that you can correct vertical looseness on a buttstock like the ruger 1 using the imprint and scrap method.

You will likely have best results by increasing the section thickness on area of the mortise that slopes downward. This is the area that is meant to absorb the recoil.

Here is the procedure I would follow.

Using past wax and an artists brush wax all of the internal parts located between the tangs. Just coat no buffing. Pack this area completely using stiff modeling clay.

Coat all metal work with release agent. 2 coats

Tape off all the exterior metalwork and exterior wood. Coat the tape with release agent. 
Coat your bolt in release agent and the a layer of wax or heavy grease. 

Apply the acraglas in a pile on the middle of that sloping mortise right back to where it transitions to the tang. put a small amount in a pile on the corresponding underside.

Dont apply glass to the area where the wood meets the cheeks of the reciever or the ends of the tangs.

Install the draw bolt but dont tighten it fully tight. Just draw it snug. This will insure that the fit is as intimate as possible when you reassemble.

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Reply #10 - Mar 26th, 2015 at 10:00pm
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Guys
Thanks Very Much for all your thoughts on bedding
improvements on the Ruger No 1.
I'm sure I will be using several of the thoughts and
precautions in doing a couple of my R 1 rifles-a
40-72W and a 30 USA. 

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Re: Ruger No 1 buttstock glass bedding
Reply #11 - Mar 31st, 2015 at 8:20pm
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I hope you don't mind my question, but I bought a Ruger No.1 stock to replace the  factory stock on my Ruger No.3 rifle.  It is a TIGHT fit. The  stock slid on ok with a couple of smacks with the palm of my hand up to the last 3/8" or so inch and then tightened up perfectly on the action with me tightening the thru bolt.  It was a beautiful fit. 
I went to take the stock off to send my barreled action to Steve Durren for some of his expert gun smithing. I had to really slap the stock in a downward motion to separate it from the action.
Now after reading "beltfed's" problem, I am beginning to wonder if I need to do a light sanding on the stock where it fits the action. I am concerned with such a tight fit I might be compressing the wood and setting myself up for a cracked stock.  Any suggestions?
  

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Re: Ruger No 1 buttstock glass bedding
Reply #12 - Apr 1st, 2015 at 4:35pm
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QuestionableMaynard8130 wrote on Mar 24th, 2015 at 9:58pm:
In that case I would also recommend glass bedding the wood where the head and washer of the draw bolt contact the wood.  
  I'm perfectly comfortable with glass bedding for sealing and reinforcement.  I just prefer to do it once the wood has been well fitted before hand. 
I'm sure no one on the site here would do it but I have seen an awfully lot of really ugly rifles where bedding compound has been over used rather than doing a decent job stock fitting to start with.  Proper glass bedding and or CA grain saturation can have a real role in getting a good fitting stock, or salvaging an abused or worn original if iis done carefully and judiciously.      Just one man's humble opinion of course.


Most of the guns I've glass bedded were original stocks, so they were already fitted. On the guns I have stocked, bedding is almost the last thing I do before beginning to do final sanding and finishing on the outside. So they're closely fitted, and bedding is not used to fit them.
Regardless of whether a stock I build is through bolt, or not, I bed the wrist area at the receiver, or tangs. I haven't bedded the area under a through bolt washer or head, but I've never seen a stock fail or crack at that point either, so never considered it. There's usually so much meat in the wood at the through bolt head, that it's stronger there than almost anywhere else on the stock.
  

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Re: Ruger No 1 buttstock glass bedding
Reply #13 - Apr 4th, 2015 at 7:43pm
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Guys, 
Thanks again for the tips, and interchange.
Did my bedding .
Went out and shot the rifle today- It's got a cal 40-72W
12 twist Douglas bull barrel. Topped it today with my Lyman 20X STS.
Shot several weights of Swiss 1.5 under my new DT cut
439 gr Elliptical PP bullet. 
Very Windy today- gusting up to 25-30mph anyways from 10-12 O'Clock. So shot only at 100yds
Two of the four groups were right at 1 MOA.
Gun feels solid.
Regards and Blessed Easter
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