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Tuning load for weather conditions
Mar 21st, 2015 at 6:09pm
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Hi,

I've read of people tuning their powder charges for weather conditions.  Is there that much difference with smokeless powder in a .32-40 from day to day? 

I've definitely found that black powder loads that look good in summer will often tip significantly in the cold of winter.

I've only recently been using smokeless in my .32-40 and have what appears to be an excellent load, using 14.3 gr of SR-4759 and a 202gr Hoch bullet.  Is this load likely to perform much differently on a hot summer day vs. a cold one?   

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Reply #1 - Mar 21st, 2015 at 9:36pm
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Chris the rule of thumb is a slight change for every 10 Degree change in tempreture and I do make small changes.

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Reply #2 - Mar 21st, 2015 at 9:59pm
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Thanks very much John.  I imagine that you are adding a bit more powder for cooler weather then? 

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Reply #3 - Mar 21st, 2015 at 11:42pm
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Chris I try to maintain the same voulmne, moisture is lost when temp goes up so volumne goes down so I raise the charge slightly. So typicaly when the temp is low the moisture is up so the charge would be slighlty less as the volumne would increase. What you want to keep an eye on is any changes in your verticle dispersion as the day moves on, if it starts increasing a small change may be required. The 10 degree change in temp for me is an indicator to keep an eye out for a possible change that might becoming. The Jacketed benchrest shooters have a better handle on keeping their loads in tune through out the day we cast bullet shooters.

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Reply #4 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 12:53am
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Increase my powder load by a tenth grain in the winter.

Any other weather changes can be met by adjusting the breech seater depth.
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 1:17am
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Changing the seating depth does the same thing as changing the powder charge by altering the case capacity / volume. Seating the bullet deeper would require more powder and vice versa and it can also have an ill effect on the target depending on ones rifle as some are more finicky than others. It would be much simpliar to adjust the powder charge and leave the seater alone so that the case capacity efficiency derived during load development is not altered and remains a constant. 

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Reply #6 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 3:45am
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JLouis,

I do percieve a mistake when you say that a higher temp has less moisture.  Relative humidity, maybe - but in absolute terms most certainly not.  The higher the temp, the more humidity it is capable of holding - and with a same moisute content, the lower the relative humidity will be for a same moisture content. So hot air with 20% humidity will actually carry more moisture than cold aier with the same RH.
However, colder air will be denser and offer more resistance
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 8:22am
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For those who use such things. I have an app on my phone which I have found to be spot on for making adjustment at the range for weather changes. Normally it gets it data automatically from local weather stations but you can change it manually
If I put in today's temp of 15F I get a 100 yd V of 1607. If I increase the temp to 70F it shows a 100yd V Of 1638
A difference of 30 fpe over a 55 Deg change. That is concurrent to what I've seen with this particular combination
It also has a powder temperature function that I leave turned off because it's not realistic

Anyhow it's called IShooter And it works well enough for me
  

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Reply #8 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 9:06am
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I want to know how you guys tune for wind  Cheesy


I just searched my iPhone app store for IShooter and all I got was four video games.  Huh
  

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Reply #9 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 10:42am
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Chris,
Altitude is also a factor to consider as are changes in temperature. I sighted one of my handguns in at 50ft above sea level and at 65deg F. here in England. I took it to Africa where I was at 5,000ft altitude and about twice the temperature. I was missing targets completely at 50 yards until I got the sights sorted out to suit the conditions. Temperature and altitude, humidity and air density all make a difference. That was in 1977, but I haven't forgotten it. It's all part of the fun. Wink

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Reply #10 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 11:08am
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QuestionableMaynard8130 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 9:06am:
I want to know how you guys tune for wind  Cheesy


I just searched my iPhone app store for IShooter and all I got was four video games.  Huh

My bad, sorry bout that

I found it in search using the following

Shooter (ballistics calculator) sean kennedy

It does automatic calculations for all the weather variables as well as altitude

Simply turn on/off the ones that are meaningful in your situation
  

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Re: Tuning load for weather conditions
Reply #11 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 11:56am
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I'm not thinking about changes in sight settings due to environmental factors.  That's pretty easy to figure out.   

I'm more interested in what Dave and John are talking about, i.e. the idea of tuning a load for accuracy due to changes in temperature.  I find it very interesting that a ten degree change in temperature at a single shooting range can affect accuracy enough to warrant a small change in powder charge.   

This will definitely be something to experiment with. 

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Reply #12 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 2:12pm
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What I'm suggesting is that the environmental factors cause changes to the velocity, BC and ultimately the stability of the bullet.

If you can monitor these effects then you have one more tool to affect an informed adjustment in your load.
  

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Re: Tuning load for weather conditions
Reply #13 - Mar 23rd, 2015 at 12:34am
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As you move to different locations in North America for competitions there are changes in elevation, temperature and moisture that can result in increased group sizes.

I have hand loaded five hundred rounds for some competitions and do not have time to reload my ammunition by adjusting the powder load.

It is much easier to test 1/4 turn of the adjustment rod on my Weber seater to see what the impacts are on group size. 
Much easier to fine tune the rifle using the adjustable seater than changing my powder load at a competition.

  
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Reply #14 - Mar 23rd, 2015 at 8:19am
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I also suspect that once they have an accurate load they are comfortable with; a lot of shooters simply make small adjustments to their "hold" or tweak their sight settings a bit to component for bullet impact shifts due to velocity changes due to temp shifts rather than tinker with their powder 
measures or bullet seaters.

I suppose that if I were to go to the matches at Raton I might try to calculate a different powder charge based on the anticipated ambient temp differences from what I am used to here in the upper midwest.    And perhaps the desert conditions where one can get a pretty large temperature shift range from early morning to the heat of the day might require that.  
But here in the Upper Midwest (Etna 
Green specifically) it seems like we normally get a fairly modest diurnal temp range cycle---probably about 10 degrees or so.   Unless of course we are getting a significant "front" moving through; and those usually have enough wind that we have other things to worry about.
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