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Paul Mathews
Mar 11th, 2015 at 12:42pm
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In Mr. Mathews's  lubed bullets? Does the patch fall off the bullet when it exits the muzzle of the rifle or does it ride the  bullet to the target ??? Thanks for your answer, Hank45 Undecided
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 12th, 2015 at 3:48am
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Hello Hank45,
Most, if not all bullet lubes are somewhat sticky and if the paper patch is applied on top of it then IMO it's doubtful if the entire patch will separate from the bullet on firing it. That could lead to aerodynamic drag during the bullets flight. 

PP bullets were all designed with smooth sides, no grease grooves as it was felt that the grooves themselves caused drag. That may not matter if your hunting in the woods and your longest shot may be hardly 100 years, but, if you into Long Range target shooting you will be disappointed I believe.

PP bullets have a lube cookie separated by two cardboard wads placed below the bullet. Finding an un-grooved bullet mould for PP bullets may present some difficulty, as the last time I looked neither Lyman or Lee made them. But there are custom makers that will make what design you want. Cool

Lubing a patch after it has been applied is also likely to prevent patch separation. However, opinions differ so never take every statement at face value, experiment if you wish. I have a couple of Paul Mathews book including the one on PP bullets, I don't agree with much he wrote as I have found some of his methods didn't work for me, but they did for him. Go figure  Undecided

Please don't think I am  trying put you off, nothing could be further from the truth. I shot PP bullets for nearly 40 years and I shot every week. Not one bullet was less than .450" others were .577" More importantly I loved every minute of it. Smiley

  
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Reply #2 - Mar 12th, 2015 at 7:59am
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Hank, I agree with Harry, a lot of what is in some of Paul's older books should be taken as reference only. I have met, talked with and shot with Paul and he is a great guy and nice person all around, however there are many others out there that have done a lot of worked with paper patched bullets and I would take their advice over Paul's. 2 of the best places that I can think of to find more information on patching bullets and making them shoot are (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) and the Shiloh Rifle forum. There is a lot of good information on both sites and great people as well. 
Hope this helps you out some.
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Reply #3 - Mar 13th, 2015 at 8:16am
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I think Paul Matthews was paper patching looking for a way to shoot dead soft lead 45/70 bullets for deer hunting.

Interesting in one of his books are the letters from powder companies and experts warning him his loads were too hot.

Great reads be carefull with advice.

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Reply #4 - Mar 15th, 2015 at 10:00pm
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For whatever it may be worth, my experience with Matthews' teachings as pertain to smokeless powder and been congruent right down the line. Both rifles, .44 Mag and .45-70 shoot MOA or less with 300/510 grain bullets respectively. The .44 loads also worked quite well in a Ruger Redhawk.  I followed his advise strictly in context of patch technique and found load data where I could, both of these adventures back around 1999.  I lube with his recipe of Beeswax/Vasoline by finger after the patching is dried. No sizing with either cartridge.
  
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