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Dry Paper-Patch?
Jan 25th, 2015 at 12:14am
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As I while the time away waiting for warm weather to return, I am thinking of p.p. for an original .40-70 Ballard using black.  The only other caliber I have p.p. was the .22..the .40 is alot easier!  But I had trouble with fliers..my thinking was patch must seperate from bullet at nearly the same instant as it's other group members...and wet patching results in a very tight fitting patch.  so tight the patch must be destroyed in trying to remove.  So, my thinking now is trying to use a dry patch.  So far, I have been using gage pins to determine dia. over patch with various paper thickness.  Dry patching is alot harder than wet..have to pull harder & hold to keep tension.  It seems I will have to have cases charged, wads including lube wad if used..all set to go & seat bullet in case mouth with twist motion in order to prevent unraveling.  The dry patch should in theory anyway leave bullet more positively than the wet.  What do you experts think?  Has anyone tried this?
  
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Re: Dry Paper-Patch?
Reply #1 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 12:59am
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I haven't tired it much myself but my neighbor, who has researched and shot pp's a lot, wet patches the bullet and then runs them through a lube die to slick them up.  He gets very good results.

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Reply #2 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 3:37am
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22-5-40,
It's combination of what works for you and what doesn't. The rifling also has a bearing on the matter. Many rifles have grooves 5-6 thou' deep others like precision target rifles may only have grooves  2-3 thou' deep. Providing the bullet is large enough and soft enough to bump up on firing, the lands should cut through the paper patch so that it separates in the first few inches of free flight. Failure to separate may not mean much if your hunting in timber, but if you shooting at 1,000 yards range at targets, the accuracy will be terrible even assuming you get everything else right. 
The Sharps Rifle Company used to paper patch bullets by the thousands each day and employed a large number of girls to do the patching by hand. Later Hugo Borchardt designed a machine to do it. This machine had a paper patch magazine which was spring loaded and presented each new patch in front of a low powered jet of steam. The speed that the machine worked at meant the individual patch was barely moistened before it was used, this moisture slightly shrank the patch after it was applied and dried, so it was a tight fit. Lube was invariably put beneath the bullet in-between two card wads. All Sharps ammo was made like that and so was all of the ammunition supplied to the British Army and Empire troops in tens of millions. 
All PP bullets should be smooth sided without grease grooves, the latter just slow the bullet down faster at longer ranges. Grease on the patch will not help with patch separation at all, it may even make it stick harder to the bullet. I am aware that some PP ammo has been found that looks as if the patch is greased or oiled. I would suggest that this was likely applied later by accident or design by individual shooters, an oiled, waxed or greased patch will pick up dirt and other muck over time and that won't do any good at all to a rifle barrel.  Sad
In the end, you pays your money and takes your chances. Experiment, see what works for you. Undecided

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Re: Dry Paper-Patch?
Reply #3 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:36am
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Contact the ASSRA archivist, as best I can recall he has copies of Randy Wright's excellent book "Loading and Shooting Paper Patched Bullets: a beginners guide" for sale---with Randy's blessing. Or you can get it (I assume) directly from Randy who posts here
  

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Reply #4 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:47am
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I wet patch but will be experimenting with dry patching a bit this year.  Brent Danielson dry patches and has been doing quite well these last few years.  I find it a bit more fiddly, but like the idea.  I have no issues with patches not coming off at the muzzle when patching wet though.  Generally they are shredded like confetti.   

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Re: Dry Paper-Patch?
Reply #5 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 7:43pm
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I was in a hurry to get out the door this morning.  Here are a few more thoughts. 

  I think that your final patched diameter might actually be a little larger when dry patching as wet patching allows the patches to stretch a little.

On one of my rifles I found that the bullets were a bit too tight.  Enough that every now and then I'd wrinkle a patch when chambering a round.  I reduce the diameter for those by 0.001" with a Cornell push through sizer die.  Perhaps not ideal, but the shiny mark left by the die gives you a nice index for consistent patch placement.

Some papers seem to kind of glue together when wet patched.  I have a few pads of Hilroy onion skin that I bought several years ago to experiment with.  It does not cleanly leave the bullet as it glues to itself.  I,m saving that paper for dry patching experiments.   My usual paper is Seth Cole 8lb.  I don't wet it too much.  

I supect that dry patching probably has the most potential if you can get the hang of it.  If you can get in touch with Brent Danielson I'll bet he could give you some pointers.  I don't have the years of match shooting experience that he has, but I've shot a lot of nice targets with PP bullets.

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Re: Dry Paper-Patch?
Reply #6 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 9:09pm
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.22-5-40,

If you have difficulty taking the paper off of a wet-patched bullet, you need a different paper.  My wet-patched bullets will shed the paper easily if handled too much.

Keep on hav'n fun!
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Reply #7 - Feb 6th, 2015 at 3:23pm
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i've tryied single wrap chase patches breach seated used dilli sandwitch papper nice dry wax coating. 28-30 smokeless.
  
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