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A perfect winter project- restore an old WRA tool
Jan 2nd, 2015 at 1:02pm
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I'm sure just about EVERYBODY has had, or at least seen one of these old WRA nutcracker tools in a deplorable state and thinking that they are probably just so much scrap metal.
You've probably also seen what ones in desirable single shot calibers can fetch on the collector market.
And If you're like me, you may have wanted one to actually use; but didn't want to ruin a good quality original.OR spend the money !
The attached photo shows what can be done with a few basic machine shop tools and some time.
This tool started out as a rusty .32WCF model 1882 "nut cracker".
I basically copied the design of an Ideal double adjustable tool and converted it to load a .40-70 Sharps straight .
There's enough adjustment to handle a 40-90 straight as well.
The tool will NOT reform the case beyond slight neck sizing after the mouth has been expanded with the "acorn" end.
The basic rebuild method was as follows: 
Belt sand all the outside surfaces until clean; which also removed the rivet heads, allowing dismantling.
Machine away part of the original loading chamber, then drill and tap for the new chamber body, and also enlarge the top opening for the larger case.
Refit a larger case seating ring opposite the loading chamber.
Re-cut the case extractor to accept the larger case.
Bore out the re-capping station to accept the larger case diameter.
Machine miscellaneous loose parts to suit the application.
Tools needed are a lathe, milling machine, and a belt sander.
It's just that simple !
Obviously, the .32WCF would be the best candidate for rebuilding, as they offer the most material to work with; and are one of the most common calibers to be found.
But any small caliber tool that is rusted beyond hope has potential.
I think these 1882 tools have enough meat that they could be hogged out to at least 45-70 size cases, and were probably offered in such sizes from new.
The only things I have not addressed were replacing the rivet heads and markings.
  
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Re: A perfect winter project- restore an old WRA tool
Reply #1 - Jan 2nd, 2015 at 4:18pm
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That's very nice!  Many of those tools as found are just lumps  of rust, which is a shame, but as you say, they do have a lot of metal left to make a useful tool out of.

Is that an Ideal loading chamber?  Did you have to make a tap for the oddball threads?
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 2nd, 2015 at 6:02pm
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Hi,
Thanks for the kind comments.
The loading chamber is completely made from scratch.
I copied the design from what I've seen on Ideal brand tools.
Regarding the threads, I worked around readily available tap sizes.
Without checking, I THINK the chamber threads are 3/4-16.
If one possesses  the equipment and skill, these old tools can be made into any caliber that may be desired, as long as it fits the dimensions of the basic tool.
  
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Re: A perfect winter project- restore an old WRA tool
Reply #3 - Jan 2nd, 2015 at 11:19pm
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Never looked closely at those Win. tools, but wondered if old Lyman 310 dies fit the threads?
  

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Reply #4 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 7:37am
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As long as the Lyman 310 die threads are a standard thread, no reason they couldn't be married to an old WRA tool with some adaptive machining.
OTOH, If Lyman used proprietary thread sizes , you may be SOL unless you have the capacity to produce one-off taps.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:17am
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If memory serves me, the 310 tool thread is 5/8-28. While not a common thread, taps and dies are available from Victor Machine, an excellent source for special thread taps and dies.

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Disclaimer, confirm thread size and count before spending money. 

Anyone doing gun work should be aware of Victor as most screws are proprietary or obsolete thread systems that are unavailable elsewhere or way overpriced. 

Note later post by BP with corrected thread nomencalture for 310 dies.
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Re: A perfect winter project- restore an old WRA tool
Reply #6 - Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:22am
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If your lathe will swing it, chuck the 1/2 of the tool that holds the die in a 4 jaw and you can put any thread and hole size you want without a special tap.
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Reply #7 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 5:15pm
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kootne wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 11:22am:
If your lathe will swing it, chuck the 1/2 of the tool that holds the die in a 4 jaw and you can put any thread and hole size you want without a special tap.
kootne

Not to nitpick but,
That depends on what type of lathe you have, and how good you are at computing gear ratios verses thread pitches.
Older lathes without quick change gearboxes would need one heck of a stack of change gears to be able to alter the lead screw RPM.Then you would need to know how those gears relate to whatever thread pitch you want.
Even on lathes with quick change gearboxes, you can be limited to a certain selection of thread pitches.My old 1950's Sheldon will cut from 4 to over 200 TPI, but I cannot  cut just ANY thread pitch.
And forget metric threads, unless the pitch is extremely close to an SAE thread.
Just sayin'

  
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Reply #8 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 5:18pm
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JCHannum wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 10:17am:
If memory serves me, the 310 tool thread is 5/8-28. While not a common thread, taps and dies are available from Victor Machine, an excellent source for special thread taps and dies.

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Disclaimer, confirm thread size and count before spending money. 

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I have bought taps form these folks for various projects and can vouch for the fact that they offer very good value ; considering that they are practically the only game in town for oddball thread cutting tools.
  
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Re: A perfect winter project- restore an old WRA tool
Reply #9 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 6:03pm
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Yes, be sure to confirm those thread sizes before spending your money!!!
My standard Lyman 310 die bodies measure 19/32"-30.
Will have to check the size for the larger 50 cal and .348 handles.
Fortunately, 30 is a standard pitch on my Clausing-Colchester lathe.
Lyman seemed to like 30 pitch for quite a few applications.

  

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Reply #10 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 8:56pm
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I stand corrected as to threads on the 310 tooling. I was using the turret for an All American Jr. press for reference. Internal threads are not the easiest to measure, hence my caveat in the earlier post which has been appended.

Thanks for the correct information.
  

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