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an old Ballard Pacific
Dec 31st, 2014 at 7:33pm
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This showed up at my house a while ago.  It's a Ballard Pacific in .40-85 with a shotgun butt ( with the hard rubber buttplate ) and a light weight barrel.  I haven't checked to see if all of the numbers match.  The rifle looks complete and original to my very untrained eye, except that the barrel shows signs of being removed by an amateur at some point so perhaps it was swapped.   I believe that the wiping rod is the original. 

The bore condition was advertised as "good" but it was a gamble as I bought it without inspecting it as it was 2500 miles away.   I'd describe the bore as "nearly excellent"  Grin.   It's as bright and shiny as a fresh bore, but there is a very faint ring visible in the chamber that I think would not affect case extraction as I cannot feel it with a piece of copper wire.  There is also a very slight deformity in the rifling about 1" ahead of where the case mouth would be.

The rifle seems to function correctly and trigger feels very nice when set.   

Some time soon I'l do a chamber cast and order some cases as I woulds like to fire a few shots through it occasionally.   

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Reply #2 - Dec 31st, 2014 at 8:16pm
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gunlaker,

Very nice old Ballard Pacific that looks to be in good shooting condition. The barrel in the photo doesn't look that small, but it is hard to tell from a picture. I wonder if someone took the rear leaf sight off and put on the mid-range vernier sight. I would think it would be hard to get a sight picture using the peep and rocky mountain blade front sight.
I've attached a photo of some of my Ballard cartridge collection, the bottom row, second from right is a 40-85. The third one over is a 40-80 & the one on the right is a 40-90, all paper patch.  Gives you an idea of size.
  

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Re: an old Ballard Pacific
Reply #3 - Dec 31st, 2014 at 11:27pm
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Very nice Ballard Gunlaker, any history to the rifle that you know of?
And Crown-C, nice Ballard cartridge collection also, thanks for the picture.
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 2:01am
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Looks like a nice find. Smiley
  

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Reply #5 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 10:58am
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Thanks for the cartridge pictures.   I don't have any history with the rifle unfortunately.   I suspect, but don't know for sure, that it came from the same estate that a few of my other single shots have come from.   I bought it from Ellwood Epps in Ontario, Canada on consignment.   When I first looked in the barrel I thought it wasn't all that good, but had a bunch of old grease in it.

I did take off the forearm last night and it, and the barrel's, serial numbers match those of the action.

Next will be to do a chamber cast.

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Reply #6 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 11:04am
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Interestingly the rifle was for sale on their consignment rack for more than a year.   They also have another in .45-100, but the price is considerably higher, so I imagine that the condition is better.  I didn't ask for pictures on that one.   

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Reply #7 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 12:19pm
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Looks like a very nice Pacific, and the hard rubber buttplate is unusual on that model. Barrel does look to be normal weight to me, and I have seen heavier, but many more that appeared similar to your gun's.
The thick base vernier is a nice option, and if you can locate a old Ballard globe, it will really add to the Pacific's accuracy! The .45-100 they have would be a pretty rare caliber, if the barrel is serial numbered to the gun!
  

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Reply #8 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 4:52pm
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Are the original Ballard globe sights difficult to find?  I know they would be up here in Canada.  Mine is only the third Ballard I've ever seen.  I din't know why they are so uncommon up here.

I'll request pictures for the .45-100.   I believe that it, and the other single shots I've bought from Ellwood Epps, have come from the same estate sale. I've picked up a few pretty unusual rifles.

They have a really nice looking Billinghurst match gun there complete with Malcolm scope.   It's still got the false muzzle, but no mention of the original bullet mould or other tools.  It had tempted me on a few occasions.

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Reply #9 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 6:57pm
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Chris,

Finding a windage or spirit level globe sight here in the states is not extremely hard to come by. I have picked up a few at the big Tulsa, Oklahoma show, a few on ebay and even a couple here on the forum. You need to measure your dovetail, most Ballards are 3/8", but on occasion they can be different. Remington's are typically (at least on mine) 7/16" (5/16" are also popular) and my Windchesters are 3/8". If you really want a correct one, the Ballards have a hood which is 1/2" long. The Winchesters are 3/4" long. 
The sights will run a gambit of prices, with the spirit level being the most expensive, windage next and finally a fixed globe the least expensive. You are most likely looking at $200 (US) minimum, up to $650, with some variances due to condition.
Others on this forum may have different experiences so hopefully they will comment further.
Good luck-- but I shouldn't have to say that as you have already had a great Christmas!
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Re: an old Ballard Pacific
Reply #10 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 9:19pm
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Nice Pacific, in a rare cartridge?   

My Pacific is 45-70, has the same weight barrel. Similar to the a Win #3 weight.

Rings near the chamber end of the barrel usually kill accuracy. They can be lapped out. Lot of work but worth it on such a nice rifle.   

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Reply #11 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 11:03pm
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I've had little trouble picking up regular globe sights for Ballards, but spirit level and windage adjustable globes I don't see often, nor can I afford them when they show up!
  

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Reply #12 - Jan 2nd, 2015 at 2:49pm
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Joe is the .40-85 rare?  I'm about as far from a Ballard expert as can be.  All of my knowledge comes from reading Dutcher's book a couple of times Smiley

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Reply #13 - Jan 2nd, 2015 at 4:14pm
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Just went through Dutchers book. 40-60 Ballard Everlasting is the ultra rare one. Missed it by twenty five grains, dang! 
Might check Grants chapter on the Ballard rifle.   

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Re: an old Ballard Pacific
Reply #14 - Jan 2nd, 2015 at 6:24pm
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Wonderful Ballard!

I thought a Ballard #5 Pacific rifle with shotgun butt was actually a #5 1/2 "Montana" rifle...? Early catalogs simply list the #5 1/2 as "Same style and finish as #5 with shotgun butt".

Grant states that the Montana Rifle No. 5 1/2 was introduced in 1880 and discontinued in 1884 - also that it was a Pacific rifle throughout, but with shotgun butt and checkered steel buttplate - usually in .45 cal.
  
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