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Dec 9th, 2014 at 10:47am
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Have mentioned this several times, ran across a photo of dial indicator testing.  

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Marlin 39A, real Junker I overhauled and modified for NRA rule Lever Silhouette,  Redfield 75, it's got a Lyman 17 A mounted low in a dovetail front.  Go through the clicks you can tell good from bad.  Same test on any of my MVA or Mike Stevens tangs they repeat without any backlash. Reading the Vernier no way to have anything but what it says. Depend on clicks for adjustments the sights quality makes all the difference. 

Check yours might be suprised what you find

Opps wrong photo !! New model Marlin 1894 32/20 with a new Lyman 66 shown, It won't repeat with a darn. NRA rule legal receiver sights none of the new sights will repeat, Old Redfield’s will. I sold the rifle pictured off for origional Marlin 1894 38/40  & put a MVA tang on it.


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Re: Testing sights
Reply #1 - Dec 9th, 2014 at 9:05pm
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YES! You betcha ... I check mine the same way! On my vernier sights, I use the practice of always 'moving up to the value desired' to make my setting. Was taught that method at GE's machinist course and just can't do it any other way.

I once bought two Redfield Olympic sights, one like new, the other looked older and a tad rusted. I tested both as shown. My offhand match AR semi-race gun wears the old set ... old, but reliable and without backlash won the day! It must have never been cranked on.

But to 'adjust the sights' on my 54" barreled flint Fusil de Boucanier muzzleloader ... these dial indicators just don't work, haha! So I had to pull the barrel from the stock pins and bend the barrel using the heavy concrete benchrest bench frame as the fulcrum to bend the barrel to adjust the point of impact to the point of aim Wink . (She wears a front sight only ... My cheek is the rear sight)
  

All of my single shots shoot one tiny ragged hole with cast bullets ... it's just the following shots that tend to open up my groups Wink ...
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Re: Testing sights
Reply #2 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 5:58am
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I aways move up too.  Silhouette you can't control which critter you start depends on squadding.  Move up through the animals to Rams than back down to Chickens I always crank down lower then up to the Chicken setting iron or scope classes.

Vernier probably don't have to do it but same routine. Main CPA rifle with a Mike Stevens Soule always start on 50 then crank up to the desired setting.

Have never bent a muzzleloader barrel to adjust point of impact but have seen single barrel shotguns bent for the same reason. Doubles I get the buttstocks bent. Point of impact on paper at short distance first then raise the comb to make it throw the desired pattern.   

Interesting the formula for Shotgun point of impact change, how much to raise the comb, is same as rifle sight adjustment . Geometry can't tell if the barrel is rifled or smooth. Suppose your muzzle loader the same.

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Reply #3 - Feb 22nd, 2015 at 12:57pm
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Did you try this on older steel Lyman sights ?  How did they hold up?  Bob
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 22nd, 2015 at 1:05pm
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Gents,

I made a digital sight setting gauge for my Redfields on lever silhouette rifles.  I don't claim it has the precision of a dial indicator, but it is intended to be used on the line for setting or confirming the setting quickly and easily.

The digital part is a tire tread depth gauge.

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Reply #5 - Feb 23rd, 2015 at 3:20pm
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Thats a good one, worth copying.  Most of the lever silhouette shooters use some sort of method to make up for slack in whatever they have to use. Since switching my Rimfire and Centerfire Levers to Redfield 75's I don't need to do that anymore. When I used a Lyman 66 on the Centerfire 36A you could not trust it to zero changing animals. Bottom out screw was a joke, keep turning the knob set screw hit and the sights arm bent skewing the setting.

My Pistol caliber Marlin 1894 has a MVA tang and repeats perfectly

On early Lymans like the 1A. to be clear I run two 39'A's one worked over for competion using the Redfield other all Orgional

Origional is a Marlin 39A I bought used in 1959 with Muskrat Trapping money. It's about 1950 vintage. Fitted it with a old model 1A when I bought the rifle.  Testing it with my Dial Caliper set up it repeats fine if you can read the graduations which are very faint.  I put a tiny white dot on to index the dial at exactly the elevation line on the sights barrel

Recording my zeros it's like this,  3 + 3/4  means to me three graduations on the barrel and 3/4 of a turn on the knob. My white dot sits at 9 o/c with that setting. Thats the Pig setting, Turkey 4 + 1/4 and so on Think it's 4 + 3/4 for Rams, using HS ammo on the Rams only. 

Works pretty good, not as precise as the Redfield but good enough.  Some reason Lyman cut precise threads way back when, recent sights are full of slop.

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Reply #6 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 5:12pm
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"Did you try this on older steel Lyman sights ?  How did they hold up?  Bob"

C. 1990, I began using a low-SN pre-war Winchester M70 in .30-06 to shoot 100-yard reduced NRA Highpower Rifle matches.  I was in grad school and really had to scrounge for gear.  This was my most suitable rifle, as it was factory milled for Springfield stripper clips.  Glass bedded, it shot 5-round groups well under an inch, routinely, at 100 yards with good bullets and a 3x Weaver post/crosshair scope in a Stith "Do It Yourself" no-drill mount. 

I got an original Lyman 48 WJS (steel) and had the local smith put it through its' paces with a dial indicator as shown.  To our somewhat astonishment, it repeated with match-grade precision!  Each click had the same value, no backlash or slop, and perfectly repeatable, for both elevation and windage.  I was impressed!  I wouldn't give 50 cents for one of the new aluminum Lymans.  What a shame that they ruined the quality!

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Re: Testing sights
Reply #7 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 6:23am
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As a general rule old steel Lyman's and Redfields will repeat perfect.  Only caution is if they have been abused, and many were. 

Best thing is to check takes one thing to worry about off the table.

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