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Ray_Newman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 274 Location: Washington State Joined: Jul 13^th, 2004	Post ’64 M94 “Mystery Metal” Preservation Nov 17^th, 2014 at 12:26am	Print Post
	Colleagues: I am the caretaker of a NIB M94 NRA commemorative. Would like to try it at the range, but I am concerned about wear the receiver mystery metal finish. Have been told that paste wax or a slight application of True Oil will preserve it. Myself, I just do not know. I have a Ballard N o.5 Pacific made in Cody that is going on 16+ years old. The rifle has a coating on the color case hardening that has prevented the colors from wear and fading. A Fellow Shooters claims it looks like an application of automobile clear coat. Anyone have any ideas as to what I could do to preserve the finish of the NRA Commemorative?

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Post ’64 M94 “Mystery Metal” Preservation Reply #1 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 4:23am	Print Post
	Clear baking laquer?

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Sendaro Oldtimer Offline When the sight is on SEND IT! Posts: 588 Location: Saratoga Springs NY Joined: Nov 21^st, 2010	Re: Post ’64 M94 “Mystery Metal” Preservation Reply #2 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 7:21am	Print Post
	Just how is it that a company could make firearms so right before 1964, and now produce what they do? I'm sure that it was not all John Browning, and that the Bean Counters have a lot to do with it!!!!!! What happened to quality control? Sendaro


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art_ruggiero Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1224 Location: CT Joined: Dec 14^th, 2008	Re: Post ’64 M94 “Mystery Metal” Preservation Reply #3 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 10:27am	Print Post
	the general publics unwillingness to pay for quality is the major cause. fine rifles are still available for a price. art


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George Babits Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1161 Joined: Sep 27^th, 2012	Re: Post ’64 M94 “Mystery Metal” Preservation Reply #4 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 11:43am	Print Post
	Sendaro wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 7:21am: Just how is it What happened to quality control? Sendaro The consumer fills the role of quality control now. You buy it, if it works you keep it. If it doesn't work, you toss it and buy another one hoping it will work. It's all part of the new world order. George


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FITZ Oldtimer Offline REGARDS Posts: 917 Location: MASSACHUSETTS Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Post ’64 M94 “Mystery Metal” Preservation Reply #5 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 5:47pm	Print Post
	The surface finish applied to Color Case was known as "Jap Laquer" Now it was common on Winchester products and I think ? Stevens. You can see that their colors hold up well. Providence Tool, Sharps Rifle, and Marlin Ballards did not get that finishing. By the way the info I got said they applied it on the action HOT. So it got baked on. Those that did not get it ended up a Grey color. I once saw a really nice Ballard with glorious colors. I asked the Guy that owned it how come? And he responded that it had been bought and parked in a closet forever. He said it had not been exposed to sunlight at all. He said that was what faded the colors. In today's world the color case procedures have been re-discovered and there is some really nice work being done. I wonder if they are coating the surface as was done in the past. Well, enough for now. Regards, FITZ.

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cheatin_charlie Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 437 Location: ohio Joined: Jan 10^th, 2009	Re: Post ’64 M94 “Mystery Metal” Preservation Reply #6 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 7:17pm	Print Post
	When Colorcase Co. was still in business he used Baking Lacquer on some of his work. I believe Stevens used to Lacquer their actions also. Sunlight will fade Color case colors if gun is stored in sunlight. If you want to save the colors of your rifle store them in a dark place like a safe.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2944 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Post ’64 M94 “Mystery Metal” Preservation Reply #7 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 7:33pm	Print Post
	You could give Wyoming Armory a call and ask. Steve Garbe is a good person to talk to and will answer your questions concerning the finish. He was there during the "Cody Ballard" years, so will know.

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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Post ’64 M94 “Mystery Metal” Preservation Reply #8 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 7:55pm	Print Post
	I have heard that Stevens used lacquer but am not positive. Anyone sure on that? It sure starts to peel and flake like lacquer but could be varnish of some type. Not sure what else it could be in that time frame.


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Ray_Newman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 274 Location: Washington State Joined: Jul 13^th, 2004	Re: Post ’64 M94 “Mystery Metal” Preservation Reply #9 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 2:47am	Print Post
	Gents: thanks for the information.

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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Post ’64 M94 “Mystery Metal” Preservation Reply #10 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 7:56am	Print Post
	brass musical instruments are also covered with a baked-on lacquer to preserve & protect the highly polished finish. I live half an hour or so from Elkhart IN and long before it was famous for RVs and before Nashville it was "music city" producing the vast majority of brass-band instruments in North America. The factories there bought various "baking lacquers" by the railroad tank-car. You might look into "musical instrument repair supplies" on a data search site or contact a brass instrument repairman. Practically any sizable high school band teacher can connect you with a horn repairman.

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Post ’64 M94 “Mystery Metal” Preservation Reply #11 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 8:25am	Print Post
	Brownell's lists Baking Lacquer. I wonder how different it is from airplane dope.

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Larry D Full Member Offline Posts: 164 Location: Ventura ca. Joined: Jan 12^th, 2013	Re: Post ’64 M94 “Mystery Metal” Preservation Reply #12 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 12:42am	Print Post
	How about a linger polyurethane with a uv shield. I think Allgrip makes a clear used in the marine industry. A co called Sterling makes a two part urethane that is hard as rock and absolutely beautiful. I


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