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Deadeye Bly Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1158 Location: Stephens City Joined: Feb 25^th, 2011	14" twist for .22 Long Rifle? Oct 30^th, 2014 at 8:43am	Print Post
	Has anyone ever used a 14" twist barrel for .22 long rifle and if so what were the results?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18337 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 14" twist for .22 Long Rifle? Reply #1 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 10:54am	Print Post
	Deadeye Bly wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 8:43am: Has anyone ever used a 14" twist barrel for .22 long rifle and if so what were the results? I've never tried it, but since the standard of 1-16" seems to work well, I never wanted to try it. My concern would be over stabilization, and less accuracy.

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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4265 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: 14" twist for .22 Long Rifle? Reply #2 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	16:1 twist is the most common twist used today. Ron Smith (RKS barrels) has been experimenting with a slower twist and finding 17.2:1 twist may be a bit better.


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 14" twist for .22 Long Rifle? Reply #3 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 1:59pm	Print Post
	Schuetzendave wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 1:32pm: Ron Smith (RKS barrels) has been experimenting with a slower twist and finding 17.2:1 twist may be a bit better. That is all we need is new improved RKS barrels beating our regular RKS barrels

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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4265 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: 14" twist for .22 Long Rifle? Reply #4 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 6:32pm	Print Post
	Bob: I am getting him to make me one for my CPA Stevens 44 1/2 this winter. Might have to trade in my Martini MKII with the 16:1 gain twist RKS barrel. Just cannot shoot that BSA prone stock offhand very well (even though I got a perfect bulls eye in the King target with it at Raton this year - got lucky). Dave
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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7762 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: 14" twist for .22 Long Rifle? Reply #5 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 9:40pm	Print Post
	Faster twist is all over the internet but I don't subscribe to the faster is better with cast bullets theory. Can't prove it and don't want to even try but seems to me if the bullet is stable twisting faster just brings up a whole new set of potential problems with bullet temper lube etc. Somebody shoots a 14 twist .22 in top level competion does well I may re-think that opinion until then will stick with 16's Boats


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2944 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: 14" twist for .22 Long Rifle? Reply #6 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 8:12am	Print Post
	John - 16/14 = ~14% faster twist. That's a pretty big step. Nothing I've read about rimfire .22 competition shooting (though I'm not a 'student' of same) has mentioned going to faster twist barrels for better accuracy. I would think that if it were so then Anschutz and the other target rifle makers would be doing so and it would feature prominently in their advertising. At $5-700 for a new barrel, that's a fair amount of funds if it does not turn out to be at least as accurate as a 16" twist.

	Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: 14" twist for .22 Long Rifle? Reply #7 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 9:22am	Print Post
	Isn't that extra-heavy bullet (60 gr as I recall) 22 ammo from Aguila one runs into on occasion designed for special purpose fast twist loads--or so I "have been told". I have never heard of good results using it in standard twist bullets. It is one of the few 22 rimfire ammos (along withe 22WRF) that one can still find on local shelves, even the 22 rf spray and pray guys have learned it wasn't working in their high-cap rim fires.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 14" twist for .22 Long Rifle? Reply #8 - Nov 1^st, 2014 at 11:10pm	Print Post
	Schuetzendave wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 6:32pm: Bob: (even though I got a perfect bulls eye in the King target with it at Raton this year ). Dave I see what you mean about it being hard to shoot offhand. I see a lot of "2" and NO "5" on that target

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Deadeye Bly Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1158 Location: Stephens City Joined: Feb 25^th, 2011	Re: 14" twist for .22 Long Rifle? Reply #9 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 10:09am	Print Post
	The reason I was asking was there was a new 22 rimfire Pac-Nor barrel on ebay for sale with a 14" twist. I passed on it because no one thought it was a good idea.


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4265 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: 14" twist for .22 Long Rifle? Reply #10 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 6:20pm	Print Post
	I see a lot of "2" and NO "5" on that target Yah. Left too much room. Someone could have snuck in. Guess I didn't call the wind right. But then you have to leave room for improvement.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12600 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: 14" twist for .22 Long Rifle? Reply #11 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 6:27pm	Print Post
	Deadeye Bly wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 10:09am: The reason I was asking was there was a new 22 rimfire Pac-Nor barrel on ebay for sale with a 14" twist. I passed on it because no one thought it was a good idea. You did good. Visited Ron Smith in August. Told me that he and Tom Bodnar had run many .22 twist experiments. Said 17 was the best. Also said that the difference from 16 twist was so small as to be almost nill. How good are you? Joe.

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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2944 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: 14" twist for .22 Long Rifle? Reply #12 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 6:47pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 6:27pm: How good are you? Joe. John is good enough to have won the AAA .22BPCR open-sight nationals at Raton this past July shooting his original 1882 Maynard with the original 130-odd year-old barrel. I watched as his spotter. Maybe he does need that 17" twist.

	Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12600 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: 14" twist for .22 Long Rifle? Reply #13 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 7:01pm	Print Post
	They're available. Most likely not made by Ron himself. When I was there Rons grandson Jarod Was making them under grandpas supervision. Joe.

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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: 14" twist for .22 Long Rifle? Reply #14 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 7:21pm	Print Post
	For some reason the 1 in 14 twist rings a bell. .22 short or .22 WRF possibly?


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