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Bullet shrink when casting?
Jun 15th, 2014 at 2:17pm
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I have several Lyman molds which I plan on modifying. My question is does anyone know how much a given alloy will shrink when cooled? I would prefer to bore these molds out only one time. I plan on making a bore rider style mold for a 38-55 from 30 or 32 cal molds. Any help or input would be greatly appreciated.

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Reply #1 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 3:15pm
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The first thing that comes to mind, is to use one of your moulds and cast several batches of well filled and formed bullets using a known ally, then cast the same number of bullets using a different alloy and so on until you have exhausted the range of alloys you may be intending to use.

Then measure the dimensions of the mold and then check that dimension against each batch of bullets you have cast. You should then have a reasonable idea of how the various alloys shrink on cooling.

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Reply #2 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 3:20pm
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Divide the diameter that you want by .995 and that is size you need.

Example........ .378 / .995 = .3799

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I forgot to add that the shirkage rate is for 20/1 lead/tin
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Reply #3 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 3:34pm
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JESSE:
    I have always used a factor of 0.6% for both iron and aluminum blocks with lead/tin alloys.
     This is subject to calculation -- get out a handbook(1)and look up the coeff'ts of thermal expansion of lead, aluminum, and iron.   Guesstimate the temperature of the blocks which will not be far from the melting point of the alloy.  Blocks and bullets will be close to the same temperature when the bullet solidifies.   Then calculate how much the bullet shrinks when it cools.    Also calculate how much the blocks shrink when they cool.   Then you will see how much smaller a room-temperature bullet is than the room-temp blocks.
   Or, as HARRY suggests, cast some bullets and compare their diameter to that of the cavities.   You may have to make plug gauges to get a good measure of, e.g., the base-band.

(1) I always keep a copy of the "Handbook of Chemistry and Physics" Chemical Rubber Publishing Co. around.  They can often be found for a couple of bucks in used-book stores.  The older 4 !/2 x 7 format editions have more useful old-time information in them.

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Reply #4 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 6:31pm
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I have a 1915 edition Machinist Handbook, I will have to dig it out and see what they say about thermal expansion.

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Reply #5 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 6:38pm
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frnkeore wrote on Jun 15th, 2014 at 3:20pm:
Divide the diameter that you want by .995 and that is size you need.

Example........ .378 / .995 = .3799

Frank
Sounds like they won't shrink much. I thought maybe a .001 or 2. I will also try casting and measuring molds and bullets. This is more of an experiment to see what I can do than anything else. If they are too big, I guess I can open the mold for a 40 or 45 cal. 

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I forgot to add that the shirkage rate is for 20/1 lead/tin

  
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Re: Bullet shrink when casting?
Reply #6 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 8:36pm
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Jesse, I use a procedure like the one Harry Mentions. When someone asks me to bore  the Base band of a Mold for them I have them cast up a dozen or so bullets out of the Alloy they use. I then measure up the Mold bore and measure up the bullets it produces. This gives me the information I need to plan the new bore size to achieve for the guy. By the way I only rework Base Band sizes as I am not setup for Boring complete cavity shapes. HTH Regards, FITZ Smiley



  

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Reply #7 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 10:17pm
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Reply #8 - Jun 16th, 2014 at 9:53am
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   The numbers on the LASC page don't tell us much.  It's really the melting point of the alloy that makes the most difference between the diameter of the cavity and the diameter of the bullet.
   Here are some coeff'ts of thermal expansion to conjure with:
        Aluminum           28x10e6/deg C
        Some aluminum alloys range down to 17-18x10e6/C
        Brass                 17x10e6
        Steel                  15x10e6
        Lead                   28x10e6   

These are mostly in the temp range 100 - 300 C.     

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Reply #9 - Jun 17th, 2014 at 5:20pm
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Look at this side and scroll app. half way down, left side:

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That will tell you all about bullet shrinkage.
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 17th, 2014 at 5:26pm
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He neglected to add our bullet alloy of choice, 20/1

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Reply #11 - Jun 17th, 2014 at 6:09pm
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   As I said, the LASC site has some interesting numbers, but aside from getting you in the ball part, they don't tell much.  Note that it makes a difference what the BLOCKS are made of, how much "shrinkage" you get.   

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