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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Lyman 103 variations Reply #15 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 10:57pm	Print Post
	Quote: Did Lyman use the same DA code assigned to the WRA model 1894 on the Lyman 103 sight, as well as on the Lyman 1, 1A, 2, and 2A sights? Yes.


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Lyman 103 variations Reply #16 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 11:04pm	Print Post
	slumlord44 wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 10:46pm: According to Stroebel's book they do but he could definitely be wrong. The Lyman 144 sight was only made specifically for the Stevens 417's and 418's. It may not have been offered in their catalog's. He's wrong about many things, but it makes sense that 144s wouldn't be listed in the catalog if they were a special order for Stevens. Does the stem of 144s move side to side in the base for windage adj.?


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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Lyman 103 variations Reply #17 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 11:14pm	Print Post
	Yes, but it has less range of adjustment than the 103. Hard to find a decent picture of one anywhere. There is an H marked 103 currently on Ebay. 1 1/2" hole spacing and the stem height looks close to mine. It has the correct graduated marked collar on the stem. Looks like it would work well on a 418 or Favorite. Tempting depending on how high it goes. H is for some Marlin's.


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Lyman 103 variations Reply #18 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 11:16pm	Print Post
	Slumlord44, Here is a pic of an early 103 version. Note the presense of the patent date, and the lack of the large washer (under the windage adjusting screw retaining nut) that is present on the later version 103 shown in the right side of your picture. Also note that the early version elevation barrel is conical and does not have the radiused cap at the top of the barrel that retains the barrel to the staff as you see on your righthand sight

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Lyman 103 variations Reply #19 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 11:19pm	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote Quote: ...Anyway, hole spacing is 1-1/2". I think it's been mismarked--no other conclusion seems possible. Redsetter, Here's a pic of another 103 B code sight. How many 103 sights do you think Lyman intentionally mismarked?

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Lyman 103 variations Reply #20 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 11:59pm	Print Post
	slumlord44 wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 11:14pm: Yes, but it has less range of adjustment than the 103. Hard to find a decent picture of one anywhere. There is an H marked 103 currently on Ebay. 1 1/2" hole spacing and the stem height looks close to mine. It has the correct graduated marked collar on the stem. Looks like it would work well on a 418 or Favorite. Tempting depending on how high it goes. H is for some Marlin's. H is supposed to mean Marlin, but why should it have that spacing? Do Marlin lever guns have that spacing? I thought they had Ballard spacing. I have an extremely well made Parker tang sight with the same kind of windage adjustment as these 144s.


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Lyman 103 variations Reply #21 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 12:02am	Print Post
	BP wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 11:19pm: Redsetter wrote Quote: ...Anyway, hole spacing is 1-1/2". I think it's been mismarked--no other conclusion seems possible. Redsetter, Here's a pic of another 103 B code sight. How many 103 sights do you think Lyman intentionally mismarked? Guess I can't put it on ebay as "super-rare factory error." But if it's not a factory error, what is it?


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Lyman 103 variations Reply #22 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 12:08am	Print Post
	BP wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 11:16pm: Slumlord44, Here is a pic of an early 103 version. Note the presense of the patent date... Glad to see that--would be easy to overlook. However, it's not on either of the two I have.


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Lyman 103 variations Reply #23 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 12:13am	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote Quote: H is supposed to mean Marlin, but why should it have that spacing? Do Marlin lever guns have that spacing? I thought they had Ballard spacing. You might want to go back and re-read the last paragraph of Reply #7 ...

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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Lyman 103 variations Reply #24 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 12:21am	Print Post
	BP, What is the patent date on yours? Sure looks like my oddball with a different stem.


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Lyman 103 variations Reply #25 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 12:55am	Print Post
	Slumlord44, Looks like PAT APR 18 16 so April 18th 1916. I think this matches with the Lyman 102 Range Control sight date. If you look really closely at the barrel and stem in the picture I posted of the early 103, and then look at an illustration of the Lyman 102, the elevation staffs look exactly the same. The threads were eccentrically cut into the early version 103 stems.

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Lyman 103 variations Reply #26 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 9:25am	Print Post
	BP wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 12:13am: Redsetter wrote Quote: H is supposed to mean Marlin, but why should it have that spacing? Do Marlin lever guns have that spacing? I thought they had Ballard spacing. You might want to go back and re-read the last paragraph of Reply #7 ... If you're saying that the B-marked 103s were intended for Marlins that had to be D&T for the 1-1/2" Stevens spacing, then why would the chart show H as the code for 103s applied to Marlins?


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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Lyman 103 variations Reply #27 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 12:25pm	Print Post
	My patent date is the same as yours which should make it early. The front to back measurement just below the windage adjustment and above the base is .835 on mine. What is yours?


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Lyman 103 variations Reply #28 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 2:16pm	Print Post
	For connoisseurs of 103s only: the first announcement of the sight, inserted as a separate page into my 1916 catalog; that makes sense, 1916 being the pat. date. But why does my 1914 catalog have the same page? Could of course have been inserted at some date after 1914, but I have my doubts about that. Sometimes, rarely, a product is put into production before the patent on it is granted...there can be legal delays in the patenting procedure, etc. Did that happen here???


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Lyman 103 variations Reply #29 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 5:22pm	Print Post
	Slumlord44 wrote Quote: The front to back measurement just below the windage adjustment and above the base is .835 on mine. What is yours? Slumlord44, The early 103 sample I have measures closer to 0.825", while the later 103s I measured average 0.905"

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