Yes I do but I don't remember where?

JLouis

Boats that was already laid on the table in an earlier post, but I am not sure it was grasped by all so thanks for sharing it again. 

JLouis

Tim it is not the quantity of how many shots one puts down range it's the quality of knowlege being gained from each individual one. It is also my belief that one can shoot to much at a learning session based on my personnel experience. It can actually start providing negative results such as a lack of confidence in what you have already proven to work and a disruption to the positive muscle memory process that is continualy being developed. These comments are in regards to very serious plainbase bullet benchrest shooting. If it were in regards to strickly offhand competition then quantity would indeed in my opionion be an advantage.

JLouis

There have been many comments on the wind. As has been pointed out that is just one of the many, many factors we are faced with. With all of the factors we have to try and remember, meticulous records should always be kept at the range. By meticulous, every little factor should be recorded. Over time we build up a wealth of information we can go back to and see what took place under varying conditions and see patterns develop. I know I can't trust my ol" brain to remember all those things over the years of shooting. Why is it one normally does best on their home range? They know the conditions and how to read them for the best results. At our club range, there are very few that use wind flags, they think they can read my set. That just doesn't work, using someone else's flags for bullets path of travel. If there are on occasions several sets of flags, none are doing the same thing, we have a tree line on one side, and berms on another side, the wind does strange things at our club range. 

Bob

Tim totally agree its common knowledge but this being primarily a site dedicated to Schuetzen Shooting I did not feel that it would pertain. Their wind effects are minute in comparison and mixing the two could provide confusion to the new shooters as the topic moves forward.

JLouis

One thing should be clear by now, to anyone reading this thread, that the measuring devises [flags, scopes, meters, etc] give only a clue to what will actually happen to your bullet on the way to the target.  In my opinion, the numerous factors that go into understanding these clues that are gathered at the range prior to breaking the shot, will mess with your mind if you try to track too many of them.  I personally, use mirage and the flags to verify the mirage clues, but even with these observations, I need to take a shot down range to actually calibrate what I am seeing.  Boats said, “Still best way to see what the effect of wind is, bullet on the sighter target. Nothing is as accurate as actual shots falling”.  That has been my experience also.

No doubt, mistakes will be made during a match.  To win, you just need to make fewer mistakes than the other guys shooting the match.  

John Louis said “I believe wind flows in layers just as water in a river does.”  In an actual BPTR Long Range match, a shooter was just outside the X ring in the 10 ring.  Based on the center of his grouping he needed a ½ minute more elevation to get into the X ring, the adjustment was made and the shot just caught the black.  The problem was, the air layer that the bullet now had to traverse was not running in the same direction as the previous lower layer.  Sometimes you just have to settle for a good score instead of trying for the great score.  This may not happen in the 200 yard match, but it could.  I hope some of you good shooters will give us newbies some of your strategies for shooting Schuetzen Matches.

Keep on hav'n fun!
MikeT

In regards to Schuetzen any sight benchrest the first thing I do prior to going to the score target is to insure I have a dead wind zero eatablished so that my hold off is equally the same on both sides of the 25 Ring. One this has been verified I will place a couple of shots for both a 9&3 o'clock wind while holding on the number 22 at both above mentioned locations on the target for future referance should the need arise. Then a couple in the 25 ring while holding off for my favorite conditions and then I 'am off to the record targets and making any additional adjustments as I go while the varibles are changing. I try not to go back to the sighter once the rifle has settled in the bags but I will if need be without any hesitation. I have learned to shoot 5 conditions over the years and all of them with confidence so it is not often that I need to return to sighter. I also keep an eye on my verticle dispersion as the temperature rises and if need be I will tweak the powder charge a tad in order to stay up with changes. I hope this information is helpful as this has been my approach and it has worked well for me over the years. I might add that others who have also been succesful might use an entirely different approach as there is more than one way to skin a cat you just need to find the one that works best for you and have total confidence in.

JLouis