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best dies for 32-40
Feb 14th, 2014 at 8:54pm
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G'Day ,  Can anyone suggest the best dies for a 32-40 win? Bench rest shooting. I have some lee dies but ....not sizing far enough out. Cant seem to get RCBS cowboy dies down here.  Does any tool manufactures over there make good ones. Price is no option.
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 12:00am
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Lee dies aren't exactly known to be cast bullet friendly. The size die should work alright, the seat die might work. You need a die to expand the mouth of the cartridge enough it won't distort the bullet when seated. But I'm sure you realized that already. Try this on for size. 

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Reply #2 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 12:58am
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Bench rest with 32-40, fixed ammo. Assuming you will be using jacketed bullets. Call LE Wilson.

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Reply #3 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 2:17am
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Cheers , Yes I have shot for many years Breach loaders, But just bought back from the dead a original rolling block #5 , put a 1'1/8"  new Goodien barrel I had from years ago, a pope sight, and had it chambered ... never had a 32-40.. I have decided to breach seat now... sorry .  it was not cut with any lead but I guess ill try it. I tried buffalo arms and they were out of Cowboy dies , but did not think of Midway, cheers or for that matter Wilson ...which I have many great sets from bench rest years ago ....Ill get onto them and see if they will do a 32-40 sizer . Thanks for the suggestions
  
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oztrapr wrote on Feb 15th, 2014 at 2:17am:
Cheers , Yes I have shot for many years Breach loaders, But just bought back from the dead a original rolling block #5 , put a 1'1/8"  new Goodien barrel I had from years ago, a pope sight, and had it chambered ... never had a 32-40.. I have decided to breach seat now... sorry .  it was not cut with any lead but I guess ill try it. I tried buffalo arms and they were out of Cowboy dies , but did not think of Midway, cheers or for that matter Wilson ...which I have many great sets from bench rest years ago ....Ill get onto them and see if they will do a 32-40 sizer . Thanks for the suggestions   


No need for any dies when breech seating lead bullets.  Replace the spent primer, seat a bullet, charge the case and pow. Any 32-40 sizer die will work for reducing 38-55's to 32-40.  Tapered bullets breech seat much easier than straight sided bullets. Better accuracy too.

My Hepburn/Goodien 38-55 rifle is a real tack driver muzzle loaded or breech seated.

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Reply #5 - Feb 16th, 2014 at 12:30am
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Thanks Joe,   Yes much easier, Just made a seating tool last night , pretty happy with it.  Just out of interest, what sort of groups do you guys get at 100m ....120y? say 5 shot.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 16th, 2014 at 1:14am
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Tiny. I have little experience at 100 yards/meters.  John Louis, Dave Patterson and others will chime in on it. 

My smallest ten shot group at 200 yards is about 7/8 of an inch. During a practice session, of course.

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Reply #7 - Feb 16th, 2014 at 2:55am
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Not bad !!! I've got a bit of catching up then, Shot a similar group in a big comp 6..7 years ago down here, 40-65 , 52g swiss 3f , snover 1/25,   spg ... scored 100.8 won the day but...only 100m... its addictive this black powder thing ...
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 16th, 2014 at 7:00am
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My opinion real test of cast bullet bench is 250 on the ASSRA target. 10 shots in the 1 1/2 inch 25 ring at 200 yards.  Perhaps dozen or so are fired in competition annually.

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I'm not familiar with those targets as we dont shoot those comps down here , but 1 1/2 @ 200 is far from what we are achieving down here, in saying that , black powder only , no duplex or smokeless .  Lots of 100m bench , some long range 200 to 700m  and now maybe a 1000y match ?? not sure just over heard a conversation the other day ... on another note ...Mapes sights , how do I get one? I here they are pretty good .Do they have a site I can order from?
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 3:16am
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Mapes sights? Never heard of it.  Googled it and nothing.   

Ten shots in 1 1/2 inches with smokeless powder is the exception here. 

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Reply #11 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 3:25am
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My very best most accurate loads with BP in the 32-40 is 200 gr bullets, 40 gr FFF. Card wad, set the bullet on it. Do not size your shells. Use a tapered bullet that fits inside the fired shell/neck very close. 

When traveling, carry the bullets separate. Set the bullets in the cases once you get where you'll be shooting. 

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Reply #12 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 2:33pm
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Yep ... A lot of people don't relies how much your powder settles whilst travelling in the car , I've had loaded rounds settle 1/4 inch ...huge air gap .  This was to a shoot about 4 hours away , 1 hour of it was on a dirt road ....
  
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With your BP loads,  40 g FFF , just wondering what brand of powder do you use ?  We dont get much of a range down here , Swiss is hard to get and cost twice as much $100....Wano powder is what most use..
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 2:51pm
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I was using GOEX Express FFF.  Never tried Wano. Have been using Swiss 1 1/2 last couple of years. Offhand only.

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