Sendero,

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                          Fritz

+1 For RMC brass I have total 100 cases, 60 that I shot a lot and 59 are still going strong, one I crunched when re-sizing.
Mike

To those of you that responded I say thanks for the information. I will follow your advice. I have come across a Stevens tip up rifle in 32 Ideal. I may make purchase of it if I can find brass and loading tools. 

Ledball, Have to tell you that the Hartung rifle that own and we've talked about is shooting very well with a cast bullet of 194.5 grains, 15.5 grains of IMR4227, and a federal 210 primer. If you remember the cartridge is a very odd one. They are made from 30-30 brass and when fire formed appear as a 30-30 Ackley improved with a radius on the shoulder. Have added photo for you to view the case before and after fire forming.

Had Paul Shuttleworth open the throat for breech seating and will be testing with a 205 grain Borton bullet soon. Anyone still left in your area that remembers Hartung?


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Leadball,

Made it to our shooting house yesterday to test fire the Hartung 30-30 Whatever with some Borton .309 204 grain PB bullets. The bullets were breech seated over powder charges of IMR4227 at 14.5, 15.0, and 15.5 grains. Test firing was done benchrest from within our shooting house at both 100 and 200 yds. There was vertical in the grouping of the 14.5 grain load, and a little in the 15.0 grain load. When the 15.5 grain load was tested it all seemed to come together. The Borton bullet was breech seated with a plugged case and a dowel push ram behind the plugged case. It worked very well. A 16X Unertl scope was used in the test, and there was no cleaning of the bore for the 25 shots fired. Using a Hawkeye bore scope there was no lead fouling found in the bore just some carbon and lube.
At 100 yards with the 15.5 grain powder charge I used an old bullet hole in the target paper as an aiming point. Shot 1 struck the paper about 3/8 of and inch from the bullet hole used as the aiming point. The next three shots went into the bullet hole and played connect a dot between shot 1 and the original bullet hole use as the aiming point. Shot 5 went in the group at 5 o'clock 1/4" out of the grouping of the first 4 shots. I was pleased. The chronograph gave an avg. speed of 1448 fps for 10 shots fired with the 15.5 grain load (ES of 22 fps).
At 200 yards the last 5 rounds were fired into a group that had some horizontal in it. I do not believe it was anything more that the wind as the total vertical in the grouping was less that inch.
I'm sure that this rifle didn't start life as a 30-30 Whatever by Mr Hartung, but rather this was the results of a re-bore + rifling by someone other. After a little more work and testing I intend to do an article for the SSE on the rifle. 

I'm having a ball with this old rifle, and wish that Hartung & Eric Farr could see it now!
PS, the photo shows the rifle with an 8X Unertl not the 16X Unertl used in the test.

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LeadBall, When Hartung built this rifle it was chambered in his 22 HAWHER. I believe it was a 219 Zipper improved or blown out. I do believe that it was re-bored and rifled many years after it left Hartung and Eric Farr. It may have been done by or for Bill Crowther.
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