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Re: .38-55 #9 Marlin Ballard on GB
Reply #30 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 7:48pm
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I'M OUT!  The auction just got too rich for me, sight unseen.

I'll keep looking for a nice shooter in 38-55...........
  

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Reply #31 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:24pm
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RoyB wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 7:48pm:
I'M OUT!  The auction just got too rich for me, sight unseen.

I'll keep looking for a nice shooter in 38-55...........


Roy, I thought for sure you'd hang with the big dogs on this one.  Huh? !   Huh

     Joe.  Sad


  

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Reply #32 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 9:40am
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westerner wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:24pm:
Roy, I thought for sure you'd hang with the big dogs on this one.  Huh? !   Huh

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Big dogs...or mad dogs?  No bargains on GB...and seldom even so much as a fair deal.
  
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Reply #33 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 11:15am
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I wouldn't go too high on any auction site where I couldn't personally view the firearm, but I don't see under $2300 for a #9 Ballard as too high; they sure go more than that at local shows in this condition. We'll see where it finally ends once the dust settles.
The last one on Gunbroker recently went for under $1900 if I remmeber correctly, and wasn't nearly this condition, and I thought it was a bargain price personally.
  

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Reply #34 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 12:41pm
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Lack of proper markings is what offends me on this one; not a question of originality at all, but rather a matter of  my personal "expectations" with any Ballard.  Given a choice between this one, & another in lesser condition but correct markings, I'd take the latter.  I'd feel the same about, for example, a 100% original high-wall that for some reason lacked the Winchester name on the barrel; for me, the name itself is part of the attraction.
  
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Reply #35 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 4:56pm
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marlinguy wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 11:15am:
I wouldn't go too high on any auction site where I couldn't personally view the firearm, but I don't see under $2300 for a #9 Ballard as too high; they sure go more than that at local shows in this condition. We'll see where it finally ends once the dust settles.
The last one on Gunbroker recently went for under $1900 if I remmeber correctly, and wasn't nearly this condition, and I thought it was a bargain price personally.


That last #9 sold for exactly $1900
Admittedly it was in a lesser condition, but it was RIGHT.
The bore was decent, plus it had period sights; at least the rear was an early Lyman with windage in the base.
No one could question it's authenticity, that's for sure.
I don't think it was too much; but a bargain ?? I don't know...

The thing about GB is, you have to pay attention to the details of the auction.
Make sure the seller has good feed back, and offers an inspection.
And above all ask questions !! Then get it in writing (email); I never call the seller.
IF the seller is on the level, they should have no problem answering intelligent questions;and even supplying extra photos if need be.
If they don't want to play along, then they are either not motivated sellers, weasels, or too dumb to know any better.
Lord knows I've bought some stinkers off of there, but if I played the game right, and I find something wrong, I can go back and twist the knife a little and get some of my money back, or return it completely.
That's one thing you ain't gonna do at a public auction, or at a gun show.




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Reply #36 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 5:20pm
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That's one thing you ain't gonna do at a public auction, or at a gun show.


Show purchases are generally cash transactions, of course, but if you pay at an auction with a credit card, & are willing to stand your ground if something has been misrepresented, it's possible to reverse the transaction--I've done it.   
  
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Reply #37 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 5:21pm
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Redsetter wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 9:40am:
westerner wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:24pm:
Roy, I thought for sure you'd hang with the big dogs on this one.  Huh? !   Huh

     Joe.  Sad


Big dogs...or mad dogs?  No bargains on GB...and seldom even so much as a fair deal.


That has not been my experience with Gunbroker.  Have purchased several very nice antique rifles at very reasonable prices through Gunbroker.   

One was ridiculously low. 

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Reply #38 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 5:25pm
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... at least the rear was an early Lyman with windage in the base....


A No. 15?  Rare sight--worth $400 or more, I should think.
  
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Reply #39 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:10am
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westerner wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 5:21pm:
That has not been my experience with Gunbroker.  Have purchased several very nice antique rifles at very reasonable prices through Gunbroker.  

One was ridiculously low. 

      Joe


Don't know how you do it--except maybe by a lot more perseverance than I'm capable of.  Most of the items that I've taken an interest in don't even meet the seller's reserve, & are relisted again & again; if fairly priced, almost any item will probably sell the first time it's listed.  Just today I called a dealer about a Model 52/A5 combo that had been listed at least twice starting at $1400 & got not a single bid; offered $1200--no sale, even though he'd save paying GB's fee.
  
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Reply #40 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 8:34am
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Redsetter wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 5:20pm:
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That's one thing you ain't gonna do at a public auction, or at a gun show.


Show purchases are generally cash transactions, of course, but if you pay at an auction with a credit card, & are willing to stand your ground if something has been misrepresented, it's possible to reverse the transaction--I've done it.  


I guess I painted with too broad a brush !!
Yes, it can be done; but the auctioneers I'm familiar with generally stand their ground; citing the age old admonition: let your eyes be your guide.
They generally allow pre-auction inspection or previews; and if you didn't avail yourself of that option, it's your loss.
Of course if it's a blatant faux pas , then they would probably make it right; and should.
Credit cards and PayPal (not for guns or parts) can be a different animal; because they tend to side with the buyer.
But I'm talking about a situation where there is no way you could check an item out on site.
For example, does a Ballard have all matching numbers ?? Or is the caliber correct ?
No auction house( except maybe R.I.A.) is going to tear a gun apart to check, and probably wouldn't say one way or the other.
But if I bought a gun off the internet with a 3 day inspect, damn right I'm pulling it apart and checking everything.
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Reply #41 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 11:31am
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I've purchased very few guns off of the various online auction sites, but the ones I've gotten were all great, with one exception. It was so cheap that I ended up parting it out and just absorbing my loss. Wasn't worth the effort to go back on the seller, but I put him on my don't buy from list!
The others I've bought were mostly "buy it now" prices, and I was lucky enough to pull the trigger on them before previous buyers could make the decision. I often wonder when I see something that's a huge bargain, and then see it has a couple dozen views, why none of them hit the button to buy it? The last one I got was a Ballard #6 Schuetzen with Stevens 368 scope, and Pope scope rings, and the seller had almost no firearms knowledge at all. He was so tickled I did the buy it now that he paid shipping and insurance too.
Most of the good buys at online  auctions are just being in the right place at the right time. There are a few where the bidders seem to be asleep at the wheel, but not many.
  

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Reply #42 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:40pm
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marlinguy wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 11:31am:
Most of the good buys at online  auctions are just being in the right place at the right time.


Can believe that--I look a few things from time to time, but don't make a religion out of it.  However, when I DO look--such as that 52 I mentioned--what I see is so discouraging that I'm not exactly incentivized to keep at it.
  
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Reply #43 - Feb 5th, 2014 at 11:47am
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Redsetter wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:40pm:
marlinguy wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 11:31am:
Most of the good buys at online  auctions are just being in the right place at the right time.


Can believe that--I look a few things from time to time, but don't make a religion out of it.  However, when I DO look--such as that 52 I mentioned--what I see is so discouraging that I'm not exactly incentivized to keep at it.


That's my problem also. I rarely look anymore, as I grew weary of spending so much time looking at overpriced junk. Unfortunately that means I've missed out on some bargains that come up on rare occasions.
  

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