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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11522 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: .38-55 #9 Marlin Ballard on GB Reply #15 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 1:13pm	Print Post
	Think you should stop prodding the guy, buy the rifle and report back to us. Joe.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16289 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: .38-55 #9 Marlin Ballard on GB Reply #16 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 1:25pm	Print Post
	Quote: Guys, I should have dusted off my copy of Dutcher's book and read up on his chapter regarding the #9 Ballard ! According to that chapter, early production guns did NOT have checkering. He goes on to say that the wood tends to be a better grade, and that both pieces do not necessarily match. How about that ?? With the exception of no factory markings, maybe this particular gun is closer to factory than I suspected. I will be eating crow with a slice of humble pie for breakfast ( Although I would definitely use the 3 day inspection on this one ) After owning dozens of Marlins in both Ballards and repeaters I can tell you it's extremely common for forearm and buttstock wood to not match from the factory. Usually the buttstock wood is a higher grade, but in some of mine the forearm wood is higher grade than the buttstock.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16289 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: .38-55 #9 Marlin Ballard on GB Reply #17 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 1:27pm	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 9:24pm: marlinguy wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 7:07pm: Matching numbers don't mean much, as lots of good gunsmiths have stamps. Yes, but do they have the exact font in the right size? But I suppose stamps could be ordered to match the ones needed, or even specially cut for production-line counterfeiting. The seller's remark about the possibility that engraving had been intended is remotely plausible I guess, though in that case you'd think fancy wood would have been fitted. Whatever the true explanation for the lack of markings, the finish looks original to me. Yes, most gunsmiths who do period correct restorations have the right font stamps to do it. Not necessarily to do "counterfeit" work, but to do proper work. And I agree on the second comment too! "Remotely plausible".

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16289 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: .38-55 #9 Marlin Ballard on GB Reply #18 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 1:33pm	Print Post
	RoyB wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 8:11pm: I'm bidding on this rifle as I want to add a Ballard to the collection and at the price I offered, I'd be satisfied no matter the provenance. The seller is less than 20 miles from my house. I made her an offer and told her I'd drive over this afternoon and pick it up. Didn't hear back. Have you asked if you might be able to go over and view the rifle in person? If the seller will allow it, that might set your mind at ease.

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graduated peep Ex Member	Re: .38-55 #9 Marlin Ballard on GB Reply #19 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 4:44pm	Print Post
	I think Roy is out of town until the weekend.


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RoyB Oldtimer Offline Posts: 838 Location: Dartmouth, MA Joined: Mar 28^th, 2011	Re: .38-55 #9 Marlin Ballard on GB Reply #20 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 8:21pm	Print Post
	Yup, I'm in Detroit.... -9degrees!!! I've sent a couple of emails to the seller with no response. I'll keep trying to get to see it. But having near no knowledge about Ballards, I'm not sure what I'd be looking for. All I want is a "shooter" in 38-55, preferably with a pistol grip.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16289 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: .38-55 #9 Marlin Ballard on GB Reply #21 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 8:33pm	Print Post
	The one thing I'd look closely at is the area under the barrel when looking at the chamber end with the action open. Need to make sure it's forged, and if there's a void in the receiver under the barrel you should pass on it, as that would mean it's a cast receiver. I'd want to remove the buttplate, forearm, and buttstock to see the numbers really match, but the seller may not allow that if they fear damage. Might be able to get a caveat that says they'll refund if they don't all match. But depending on the end price, these wouldn't ba a deal killer to me. The cast receiver would be a deal killer though! I rarely see #8 or #9 Ballards go for anything under around $2200, unless they're beat. So if it stays under that price, and is the real deal, it looks like a nice condition gun!

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pmcfall Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 256 Location: St. Joseph, Missouri Joined: Jan 27^th, 2006	Re: .38-55 #9 Marlin Ballard on GB Reply #22 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 9:41am	Print Post
	In the picture of the left side of the action in the area close to where the address lines should be, is that just a scratch or was the metal repaired? Kinda looks like a square area with a lighter finish. What's that all about? Phil


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graduated peep Ex Member	Re: .38-55 #9 Marlin Ballard on GB Reply #23 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 10:07am	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 8:33pm: The one thing I'd look closely at is the area under the barrel when looking at the chamber end with the action open. Need to make sure it's forged, and if there's a void in the receiver under the barrel you should pass on it, as that would mean it's a cast receiver. I'd want to remove the buttplate, forearm, and buttstock to see the numbers really match, but the seller may not allow that if they fear damage. Might be able to get a caveat that says they'll refund if they don't all match. But depending on the end price, these wouldn't ba a deal killer to me. The cast receiver would be a deal killer though! I rarely see #8 or #9 Ballards go for anything under around $2200, unless they're beat. So if it stays under that price, and is the real deal, it looks like a nice condition gun! Somewhere along the line, the seller indicated they removed the "easy" parts to check the serial number. Well then, the buttplate should be at least as easy to remove as yanking the breech block out . Maybe they stopped short for a reason. There's a listed 3 day inspection period; so the winner should definitely take good advantage of that.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16289 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: .38-55 #9 Marlin Ballard on GB Reply #24 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 12:26pm	Print Post
	pmcfall wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 9:41am: In the picture of the left side of the action in the area close to where the address lines should be, is that just a scratch or was the metal repaired? Kinda looks like a square area with a lighter finish. What's that all about? Phil Looks like a scratch to me.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11522 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: .38-55 #9 Marlin Ballard on GB Reply #25 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 12:47pm	Print Post
	Why would anyone fake a #9 Ballard? Much more likely to find a fake Walker or Pope. I like the rifle and want it real bad. Joe.

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LONG RANGE Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 414 Location: CHERRY VALLEY, CA Joined: Oct 3^rd, 2013	Re: .38-55 #9 Marlin Ballard on GB Reply #26 - Jan 30^th, 2014 at 2:33pm	Print Post
	Whatever the outcome, it is a beautiful rifle and let's face it, $1850 just ain't what it used to be. There aren't that many old guns left that haven't been altered in some way.


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graduated peep Ex Member	Re: .38-55 #9 Marlin Ballard on GB Reply #27 - Jan 30^th, 2014 at 3:39pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 12:47pm: Why would anyone fake a #9 Ballard? Much more likely to find a fake Walker or Pope. I like the rifle and want it real bad. Joe. Dutcher even comments on the fact that there's more unmolested #9's than other Ballards for the simple fact that they didn't come with set triggers.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16289 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: .38-55 #9 Marlin Ballard on GB Reply #28 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 11:37am	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 12:47pm: Why would anyone fake a #9 Ballard? Much more likely to find a fake Walker or Pope. I like the rifle and want it real bad. Joe. Well it's not that they would fake a #9, but it might be that someone would fake the fact it's original or not. It may be original or not, but the difference between one that is aged, vs. one that's original and unaltered often makes it profitable to bring one back and make it look original. Again, I'm not saying that's the case here, just the reason someone might fake one. Old #9 and #8 Ballards are often found in unaltered condition, much more than #5 Pacifics that seemed to be favorites for conversions to something else.

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RoyB Oldtimer Offline Posts: 838 Location: Dartmouth, MA Joined: Mar 28^th, 2011	Re: .38-55 #9 Marlin Ballard on GB Reply #29 - Feb 1^st, 2014 at 6:07pm	Print Post
	Were not all #9s forged? Is it possible for a #9 to be cast? I raised the bid......What the heck! It's only money! Can't take it with you.......

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