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Winchester 1885 dilemia
Jan 22nd, 2014 at 1:23am
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I just traded for an 1885 Hi-Wall in 38-55. Rifle is in good condition, wood is very good with excellent fit, action is tight, metal is patina but no rust, barrel is #3 but 26 inches vs standard 30". Don't know if barrel was shortened, looks exactly like original muzzle end with same patina as barrel. Front sight is replacement, looks like same as current manufactured 1885 front sights. I have ordered an original style Rocky Mountain replacement front sight.
Here's my problem... I really like this rifle and would like to use for deer hunting,, problem is I'd need an optical sight to compensate for my poor vision.
Will I go to purgatory for drilling the barrel on an original rifle  Sad   
Would not drill in Winchester stampings, probably more forward for a scout scope mount... I have a scout scope setup on my Winchester 94 and like the arrangement.
What would you fellows do if this were your rifle?  Undecided
  
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Re: Winchester 1885 dilemia
Reply #1 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 7:21am
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No real standard at 30 inches it could be factory at 26 inches.  Might want to try a large arpeture rear tang sight instead of a scope. Get the hole big enough most can see them well.

Drill and put a scout scope on ?  it's going to be worth the Action value after no more. I would just use another rifle before doing that. 

If you must use a scope best choice would be MVA's B 5 in 3 power with a large dot . Correct for the period and very effective for hunting. 

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Re: Winchester 1885 dilemia
Reply #2 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 8:45am
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It is your rifle and do as you please. You are aware of the 'problems' if you d&t for a modern scope. You might want to see if the Cody Museum can 'letter' the rifle for you before doing anything. If they can, that will give you the original configuration. If it has been changed over the years the value drops substantially. If it does have good value and you require a scope, then rebarrel and set the original aside.
  

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Re: Winchester 1885 dilemia
Reply #3 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 9:03am
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I would not mess with an un-messed with original rifle.

Maybe you should look into one of the many recent highwall clones (Browning, Winchester, Pedersoli, etc., etc.) if you want to drill holes/mount a scope (Browning and Winchester already have them!) to take it hunting.

That old original deserves a good tang sight.
  
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Re: Winchester 1885 dilemia
Reply #4 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 9:43am
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It's your rifle, to do what you will with. 

However, for a rifle in the condition you describe, the cost of drilling it for a scope costs you between $400 and $500 in value on the rifle.  Just about the same as the cost of rebarreling it with another barrel.

Personally, if I felt a need to put a scope on the rifle and hunt with it,  I'd sell it and buy a more appropriate one for hunting like a new Winchester/Browning .38-55, already ready for the scope, and probably more accurate.

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Re: Winchester 1885 dilemia
Reply #5 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 9:59am
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I have seen many times on this forum that some guys use Black Max 380 instant adhesive for the mounts. I have never used it for such but the ones that do seem to have good luck with it. It's worth a try. Dale.
  

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Reply #6 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 10:29am
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SSShooter wrote on Jan 22nd, 2014 at 8:45am:
You might want to see if the Cody Museum can 'letter' the rifle for you before doing anything. If they can, that will give you the original configuration.


Good idea, except for the exorbitant fee charged for this service.  Before doing that, measure the distance from the muzzle to the forward edge of the sight slot--should be exactly 3/4" according to Campbell.  If that checks out, it must be a special order barrel, & worth the cost of a letter.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 11:43am
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Also, check the dimension across the flats at the muzzle.  Winchester held the same dimensions at muzzle and breech for each barrel weight, and changed the taper for each length.  A cut off barrel always measures oversize at the muzzle.

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Reply #8 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 11:59am
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I have a possible solution for you.  Check your PM.
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Reply #9 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 12:01pm
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It's a fact that drilling for a modern scope will cut the value, not a lot if the barrel is not original length, considerably if it's original. Probably more than a reproduction High Wall already set up for modern scopes would cost.

Try the big arpeture tang sight first they work very well. MVA sells a simple tang intended for Hunting Rifles # 133 combined with a Merrit hunting disk that opens wide or get MVA to open up the arpeture, anybody that can see at all can hit targets with arpetures.

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Reply #10 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 12:07pm
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As SSDave noted its your rifle do as you please. If you can't use it for your intended purpose
and your motivation for buyimg it do what it takes to make it work. Your hunting memories with it will be priceless and in the future for the same purpose it will still serve others well.


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Reply #11 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 1:19pm
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Redsetter wrote on Jan 22nd, 2014 at 10:29am:
SSShooter wrote on Jan 22nd, 2014 at 8:45am:
You might want to see if the Cody Museum can 'letter' the rifle for you before doing anything. If they can, that will give you the original configuration.

Good idea, except for the exorbitant fee charged for this service.  Before doing that, measure the distance from the muzzle to the forward edge of the sight slot--should be exactly 3/4" according to Campbell.  If that checks out, it must be a special order barrel, & worth the cost of a letter.

Have bought and sold a few 1885s and have found that having the letter from Cody, though expensive, pays for itself when selling. Plus, if it is a nice addition if you are going to hang on to the rifle. 


  

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Re: Winchester 1885 dilemia
Reply #12 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 2:34pm
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SSShooter wrote on Jan 22nd, 2014 at 1:19pm:

Have bought and sold a few 1885s and have found that having the letter from Cody, though expensive, pays for itself when selling. Plus, if it is a nice addition if you are going to hang on to the rifle. 


When Winchester GAVE their immensely valuable collection to the Buffalo Bill Museum, I'll bet it was with the tacit assumption that the historical information in these records would remain more or less freely available to collectors as it had been in the past.  "Freely available" wouldn't preclude some nominal charge for the service to discourage those (such as dealers) who might abuse the system, but Cody's charge is out of all proportion to reasonable costs incurred in maintaining these records. 
  
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Reply #13 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 3:21pm
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Nothing is free, someone has to pay for the ink, paper and the time spent. It is all a part of eveyday business and I can't imagine Winchester doing anything for free or expecting others to do it either.

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Re: Winchester 1885 dilemia
Reply #14 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 5:02pm
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I have heard that if you call the Cody Museum with your serial number they will look it up and tell you verbally the info about your gun if they have it. 
I have never tried it but Bill Goodman mentions it in a lot of his listings.
It's the actual official letter you have to pay for if you want one sent.

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