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Reply #15 - Jan 13th, 2014 at 11:23pm
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Too bad that Al Story was/is such a lousy business person. If he wasn't, you would be able to purchase a new reproduction Borchardt for around $4-5K, depending on the wood, extras, etc. Al lost his FFL (after years of repeated warnings by the Feds) and can no longer make them.

Just thinking about it, if Al had been born a hundred years sooner, he could still be making repro Borchardts.
What I see as really sad is everyone knows that the Borchardts Al reproduced weren't going to be used by some gang-banger to rob a quicky-market, or commit a mass school shooting, or for some other crime.
But the Nanny-State won, and Al lost.
And we all lost right along with him.

  

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Reply #16 - Jan 14th, 2014 at 2:05pm
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Rudi asked: "Is there an economist among us that could give a ball-park figure of what the 1890 Farrow rifle would have cost in today's dollars?"
I am and I can.

The inflation calculator, at (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links); says that $1 in 1890 is $17.71 in 1998.(1999 isn't over yet, making calculations for this year tough)
(The pre-1975 data are the Consumer Price Index statistics from Historical Statistics of the United States (USGPO, 1975). All data since then are from the annual Statistical Abstracts of the United States.)

So the short answer is that the Farrow rifle that sold for $50 in 1890 should sell for $50 X 17.71 = $885.50 in 1998. The "Cost of living" multiplier is 17.71.

Economists don't like to give short answers about prices over time. Here's why.
(The following from the "Old Colony Memorial" from 1890, copies of the Plymouth Town Report, and some other reference books. in the Plymouth MA public library.)

In 1890, coal was advertised for $6.25 per ton delivered, today's quote was $171 per ton delivered. $171/$6.25 =  27.36 is the "Coal " multiplier.
The 1890 Old Colony Memorial was 5 cents; today it's $1. $1/$.05 = 20 is the "Newspaper" multiplier.
The Governor of Massachusetts made $5000 per year in 1890, and  makes $90,000 per year today.$90,000/$5000 = 18 is the "Governor" multiplier.
Strawberry, Blackberry or Raspberry vines were 10 cents per dozen in 1890; and are $1 each today. $1/(10/12) = 120 is the "Berry" multiplier.
In 1890, Piano tuning was (upright)  $2.50, in 1999,  $65.  $65/$2.50 = 26 is the "Piano Tuning" multiplier.
In 1889 the Plymouth Superintendant of Schools earned $1200 per year, in 1999,  $100,000. $100,000/$1200 = 83. 
Massachusetts Legislators made $650 per year in 1890, $46,000 per year in 1999. $46,000/$650 = 71.
In 1889 the High School Principal made $1500 per year, in 1999 the job paid $79,896. $79,896/$1500 = 53.

  
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Reply #17 - Jan 14th, 2014 at 2:07pm
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Schoolteachers in 1889 in Massachusetts earned:
Men $108.88 per month/$1306.56 per year,
Women $45.93monthly/$551.16 yearly. 
In 1998 Massachusetts teachers averaged $44,132 yearly. 
The "Teacher/Sex" multipliers are:
Men, $44,132/$1306.56 = 34 
Women, $44,132/$551.16 = 80. 

In 1890, an 1873 Colt Single Action "Peacemaker" cost $16. In 1998 it was $1213 in the Gun Digest. $1213/$16 = 76 is the "Peacemaker" multiplier.  

From the 1908 Sears catalog and the 1958 and 1998 Gun Digests, some cartridge prices:

1908            1958            1988
45-70-405 50cents/20            $4.40            $21
38-55-255 56cents/20            $3.60            $25
30-30         64cents/20            $3.60            $13


Some other prices that I found interesting-all from 1890:

"Rough dry" laundry-4 cents/pound. Ironing, 2 cents per pound 
Oak and Pine firewood $5 per cord delivered
Workingman's shoes $1.75-$2
Vacuum tipped arrow pistol (Dart gun) 50 cents
St. James Hotel,(Boston) Room and board $2 per day, Room 75cents per night.
"Records of the Town of Plymouth 1636-1705", 347 page cloth covered book $1.50-by mail $1.65
Canned goods, price per can: apricots 30, cherries 33, tomatos 12 1/2, corn 15, boned turkey 45, boned chicken 45, corned beef 20, salmon or lobster 20, oysters 10
Best 3 hoop water pails 16 cents, 2 for 30 cents.
Webster's dictionary, 1635 pages, $3.50

  
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Reply #18 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:12pm
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I have found this whole thread fascinating.  My questions are "Who bought them then?" and "Who is buying them now?"

Harry used a Colt Walker as an example, but the Walker has a historical use/romance or "macho" factor that is lacking in the Long Range Borchardt example.  The buyers of what are now & were then "single-purpose" target rifles were financially secure and reasonably well-educated men engaged in a sport or game that was beyond the $$ reach of ordinary working stiffs.

The same thing can be said for high-end Schuetzen or Indoor Gallery rifles.  The people who are buying $50,000 antique target rifles today are in the same economic class, financially secure people who are buying hedges against inflation.

joeb:  can you do 1998/2013 updates on the multiplying factors?

  
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Reply #19 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:34pm
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in 1998 the cost of a Farrow rifle was in the $2000 to $3000 mark. I would have loved to find one at under $900.
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Reply #20 - Jan 17th, 2014 at 3:55am
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SSShooter wrote on Jan 13th, 2014 at 8:47pm:
Too bad that Al Story was/is such a lousy business person. If he wasn't, you would be able to purchase a new reproduction Borchardt for around $4-5K, depending on the wood, extras, etc. Al lost his FFL (after years of repeated warnings by the Feds) and can no longer make them.


Modern Borchardt reproductions are available from two sources in the USA. firstly from Argus Barker and secondly from Joe Lozito. Both men make their rifles to order and you may have several months if not more to wait for delivery. Neither maker has mass production facilities. I understand Joe Lozito has just returned to work after a period of illness so is unlikely to be back up to speed yet. In either case a new repro Borchardt is going to cost you over 5G's and possibly more if you want additional features like engraving, inlay work, fancy stocks etc.

It does appear that the Borchardt that Shiloh Sharps was planning to produce is on the back burner now with the company tied up in making an additional model of the Sharps side hammer and producing casting kits of the 1885 High Wall.

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Reply #21 - Aug 25th, 2022 at 3:41am
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BRC is building Borchardts as I type.  I am supposed, according to Clay, to have mine in a month or so.

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Reply #22 - Sep 30th, 2022 at 7:19pm
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SSShooter,

your calculations may be off, as is your knowledge of Al's business.  My brother and I had dinner with Al at the Quigley in 2017.  I ordered an action then.
Last week I got a phone call from Al while I was at my Ranger Company Reunion in Niagara Falls.  My action is finished, and the total cost, to include shipping and insurance was less than $2700.  I rounded that to $2700, and told him to put any extra in the coffee fund jar.  Just in case Jeamie dropped by.

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Reply #23 - Oct 9th, 2022 at 7:45pm
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[quote author=3C3526262D0B3135383127540 link=1389495208/2#2 date=1389511297]Some five years ago or so a magnificent Borchards 1878 LR Target Rifle sold at Amoskeag? (sp) for US$ 50.000.00. At the time it was said by the auctioneer that it was perhaps the finest Borchardt in existence. Less than two years ago another Borchardt LR sold for US$ 78,000.00. I haven't seen a picture of this latter rifle, but it certainly must be something to look at. 

Over 50 years ago when I first started shooting, an original Colt Walker in magnificent condition (for its age) could be had for US$ 20.000.00, today you would have to pay 1.5 million US Greenbacks for the same pistol, or perhaps more. 

I have always been hampered in the purchase of firearms by being born with a wooden spoon in my mouth instead of a silver one.  :'  (  Harry (/quote)

For the benefit of those who peruse the past pages of this section, While in the TOC (CP) of my unit in Afghanistan in '03, I was watching the film of a war lord's weapons cache. The close-up of the pile of weapons about to be blown up was either a Second Model Dragoon or a Colt Walker (couldn't tell). The video was weeks old.  Cry Cry Cry
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Reply #24 - Jan 18th, 2023 at 3:44pm
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As an FYI here is an inflation calculator by Bureau of Government Statistics - you can compare any two years between 1913 and Dec 2022; e.g. what $1 in 1925 is today or what $1 in 1995 was in 1915
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Reply #25 - Jan 18th, 2023 at 5:24pm
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If I sold part of my collection I could afford this beauty. As it is I am building my own, not this fancy, but it will keep me happy.
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