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Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:59pm
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If one is careful & doesn't slosh water-based cleaners through action...Is disassembly of Sharps Borchardt action necessary after using black powder?
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:13pm
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I shot a lot of BP in mine, over a 6 year period when it was a 45/70 and had no problems.

You can also clean them by firing a number of smokeless rounds through the barrel but, you still need to wipe the muzzle off with a water based cleaner.

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Reply #2 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:19pm
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Taking apart a Borchardt is always a pain in the pitoot, and the likelihood of something nasty happening far exceeds the need for disassembly. I shoot BP in my Borchardt and simply clean the bore with a proper water-based solvent, then spray the "clockwerks" with a good brake & parts cleaner, followed by a light application of Breakfree" bow to stern and Bob's Your Uncle" Cool
  

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Reply #3 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:23pm
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I would think that if your using full charges for whatever cartridge your Borchardt is chambered for then the cartridge case expanding on firing will seal the breech. You don't have to avoid water based solvents, you could make up a 'boiling out funnel' as used by the British during the Victorian era. Kynamco here in England still make them in a couple of large calibres, but none as far as I am aware for US calibres. However having shot a number of BP rifles chambered for the large British rounds eventually some fouling will get back onto or into the breechblock and action and failure to clean this out will cause corrosion and stiffness in the trigger action over time.

It only takes a few minutes to clean any black powder rifle and I always used boiling water with a little liquid soap added. Have a look at the Kynamco website and look for the funnels under accessories, you should be able to make one up for yourself without too much difficulty. Smiley

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The funnels are shown in the left hand column some way down. Not cheap but you could make one out of a cartridge case with a little ingenuity.

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Reply #4 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:01pm
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Thanks for replys..that was what I was hoping..full charge obturating case to seal chamber..I do recall only finding minumum fouling trace on Win. H.W. block after several b.p. sessions.
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Are there any spray cleaners out there that will not damage stock finishes?
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:53pm
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Brake and carb cleaner probably should be kept off the off the wood.  they have some pretty potent solvents in them.

I have used a spray action cleaner  I think it's a Rem-clean product with fair success  it rinses an amazing amount of junk out of my martini actioned German and Swiss schuetsens after a day of matches. 
I use the "straw" and keep it off the wood. before using it I give the stock around the action a wipe with an oily patch and promptly wipe the oil and any accidental overspray off right after "flushing" the action onto a couple paper towels.
  

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Reply #6 - Jan 11th, 2014 at 10:15am
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I use the old mixture of three equal parts , Hydrogen Proxide , Rubbing Alcohol , Murphys Oil Soap. Has worked for many years in my 1874 shilo sharps. cmargs.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 11th, 2014 at 5:48pm
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Very seldom clean my actions. They seldom need cleaning. Dumped a bunch of BP in my new Sharps 74 last week. Should probably clean it................naw. Looks like it all came out. 



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Reply #8 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:13am
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I like the "boiling-out funnel" idea.  I wonder if a "down and dirty" version might not simply be made with a piece of high-grade fuel line that's a good squish-fit in the chamber, press-fit to a quality small metal funnel?  Should seal the bore by friction/compression, totally non-marring, and fuel line is rigid enough to support the weight of the funnel.
I might give that a try.  A couple different sizes of fuel line with a single tapered funnel would work for a fairly wide range of chambers/bores.

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Reply #9 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:26pm
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Balistol from Buffalo arms is good for cleaning wood and black powder fouling. Real snake oil stuff. Stinks but works good. Been on the market since the late 1800's.
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Reply #10 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 1:12pm
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rustyrelx wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:26pm:
Balistol from Buffalo arms is good for cleaning wood and black powder fouling. Real snake oil stuff. Stinks but works good. Been on the market since the late 1800's.
Don


I don't think it smells that bad Don, I use it as aftershave when visiting gun clubs, it gets the ladies going, lol. Sadly at age 71 next month there's not much I can do about it.  Cry
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Reply #11 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:45am
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Urine is a great solvent but it is hard to control the chemical balance.
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Reply #12 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:04am
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Urine is sterile as it exits the body. Why does it smell so bad?

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Reply #13 - Jan 17th, 2014 at 11:46am
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Asparagus...
  

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Reply #14 - Jan 17th, 2014 at 3:34pm
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I can hear the wheels turning in Joe's head all the way over here in Tennessee!
  

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