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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	35cal 30-40 Krag Jan 4^th, 2014 at 12:04am	Print Post
	Was reading where Steve Baldwin (IIRC) is/was shooting a 30-40 Krag blown out to 35cal with 10" twist and 330gr bullet and doing well. Anyone heard/seen same or a 30-30 blown out to 35cal?

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: 35cal 30-40 Krag Reply #1 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 12:15am	Print Post
	Believe Joe G (westerner) was thinking about the old 35-30/30 some time back. How close is Steve Baldwins blown out 30 Krag to the old 35 Winchester round that was used in the WRA 1895 and the Highwall?

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11463 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: 35cal 30-40 Krag Reply #2 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 12:16am	Print Post
	The late Harlan Eden re-bored Krags to .35. Told me he did a M1Garand once. Joe.

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Dr Tom Full Member Offline Posts: 211 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2012	Re: 35cal 30-40 Krag Reply #3 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 2:21am	Print Post
	The wildcat 35 Krag is a bit shorter than the factory 35 WCF, but the brass is more available. Either is capable of fine accuracy. The 35/30-30 has much less case capacity than either of these, but is just about right for launching plain based cast bullets at Schuetzen velocities. When shooting at distances greater than 200 yds, I prefer the larger case capacity. Don't use 35 Rem load data for working up loads for the 35/30-30. The Rem case holds more powder. I've used 300 gr bullets in the 35 WCF 10" twist at 1570 fps. No tipping at 200 yds. Not sure about 330. If you can dig up any info on the 330, I'm interested.
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vbull Full Member Offline Posts: 107 Location: Lake George, Champlain region Joined: Sep 19^th, 2004	Re: 35cal 30-40 Krag Reply #4 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 6:54am	Print Post
	The cartridge is a .35-40 Maynard made from 30-40K parent brass. Much like the .38-50 Rem. but tapered just a bit more to use a .357 dia. bullet. I don't remember the bullet weight. Quite a few old BP cartridges can be made with 30-40 Krag or .303 British cases.


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Deadeye Bly Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1057 Location: Stephens City Joined: Feb 25^th, 2011	Re: 35cal 30-40 Krag Reply #5 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 8:57am	Print Post
	The 35-40 Maynard is a straight case about .400 diameter x 2.06" long and is generally made from 38/55 cases. The 35-55 Maynard uses the 30-40 case head size and is 2.2" long. Despite being listed in Maynard catalogs and the existence of rifles in that caliber the NRA has dis-allowed the 35-55 Maynard for BP cartridge silhouette. Best to stick with the 38-50 Remington. It is recognized.


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vbull Full Member Offline Posts: 107 Location: Lake George, Champlain region Joined: Sep 19^th, 2004	Re: 35cal 30-40 Krag Reply #6 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 9:46am	Print Post
	Deadeye, Your right. I was thinking of the 38-40 Rem. as I was recently looking at one. That one uses shortened 30-40 Krag cases. I'm sure Steve used/uses the 35-40 Maynard several years ago as do several other competitors. SSShooter, I built a 38-50 RH 2 years ago and have been shooting it in midrange competition. I found brass prep a chore getting rid of the internal ring after blowing out the cartridge. The ring just so happens to land just above where the base of a 340 gr bullet rests. It is a tight spot for the wad and base of any longer bullets. All of my cases required the ring to be removed. I was able to use 303 Brit cases after making a "case stretcher" to draw the cases about .030 - .040". I can't say the .38-50RH is any more accurate then the .38-55 as I've shot both. In my opinion, these 2 cartridges are marginal at best for silhouette unless the shooter has a problem with recoil. I don't shoot either NRA silhouette or midrange much anymore. But when I did, I used a 45-70, 40-65 or 40-60 Maynard.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: 35cal 30-40 Krag Reply #7 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 11:14am	Print Post
	Thanks. Many folks have told me that the 40cal is the best 'minimum' cartridge for silhouettes, but I'm going to be stubborn and stick with a fast-twist 38cal. Deadeye has all ready coached me up a class, so sky's the limit.
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	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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muddy Ex Member	Re: 35cal 30-40 Krag Reply #8 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 7:20pm	Print Post
	Hi folks, Several years ago I/we made cases for a friends Model 95 Win. in 35 WCF from 30-40 cases per per a Bob Hagel article in an old Handloader. They worked fine however the necks are only about 3/16 of an inch long but it got the old girl shootin again and w/new brass.-Muddy


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Bulseyetom Oldtimer Offline Posts: 955 Location: Santa Maria, Ca Joined: Oct 31^st, 2010	Re: 35cal 30-40 Krag Reply #9 - Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:36pm	Print Post
	When I had my Winchester 95 in 35 WCF I used 30-40 brass necked up to get cases. They are slightly shorter than the true 35WCF but worked great. Now 405 Winchester brass is fairly common so it would be better to make 35 WCF brass but if one was building a rifle from scratch there would be nothing wrong with a 35/30-40 Krag wildcat. A standard 30-40 sizing die could be made into a bushing die and I use Vickerman seaters for all my wildcats.


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