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Storage Life Bullets
Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:53pm
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I did search on Boolits and this forum but couldn't find info.  I'm probably using the wrong words.

Once molded, do lead bullets have a "storage life?"  That is, should I only mold what I can use in a certain amount of time.   Once lubed, how long before I should shoot them?  I know the lead can look funky after awhile and lube can dry out.  Are there some guidelines posted, storage methods?  Thanks.
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 4:54pm
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Depends on the lube used in regards to shelf life, unlubed I don't foresee a problem. There will be a slight change in hardness but I have never seen it on the target.
  

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Reply #2 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 5:31pm
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Alloys containing Antimony will age harden over the course of a few weeks.
All cast that is stored dry will last forever litteraly.
If vaccuum sealed i think greased bullets will last just as long. Unless the grease contains corossive ingredients, salt comes to mind, and nonrefined oils can have assidic residue (coldpressed oliveoil).
  
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Reply #3 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 7:19pm
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As well as lube hardening because of drying out or molding. I have bullets that shoot fine and have to be 5-6 years old. When I used Emmerts lube two years was about it.
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 9:42pm
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The lead will last forever, but the lube?  Well that depends on the lube.  I have found that some lubes tend to dry out over a year or so; some don't.  If you can seal lubricated bullets from the atmosphere they will probably last a long time.  The trick is sealing them.  When I first started shooting, my rifle was an Argentine Remington in 43 Spanish ($14.95).  I was shooting original ammunition ($5.00/100 at Ye Ole Hunter) and the lube worked fine.  That ammunition had to be about 65 to 75 years old at the time (1960-62).

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Reply #5 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 10:13pm
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Once arranged for a freind who had just aquired a Stevens-Pope 32-40 Schuetzen rifle to meet a long time Schuetzen shooter. He asked about appropriate Molds and Bullets. The freind now deceased said "I have some 32-40 bullets for a Schuetzen already Lubricated and I can let you have some. I don't know what the Lube is or the Alloy as I Cast and Lubed them a long time ago" Well, He gave my Buddy a Box of fifty. Two day's later I get a Panic call from the new shooter. "We have to go see him again as these bullets literally shoot in one hole if you do your part" So, back we went and the guy sold him the whole batch nearly 2000 bullets all Lubed and boxed 50 per.
Three months later the guy called me and told me he found his notebook and the Bullets had been cast and Lubricated before WW2 and this was in the mid 1980s. The net of this was the new shooter eventually got a mold that cast nearly the same bullet and used it. He never did use up all the bullets he bought as he reserved them for matches he wanted to do well in. Good alloy, good lube and stored correctly Bullets are good indefinetly. HTH Regards, FITZ. Smiley
  

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Re: Storage Life Bullets
Reply #6 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 6:55am
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As I recall, and it may be from Dell's book, our lead tin alloy cast bullets can change BHN as they age---getting softer over time as I recall. I seem to remember seeing an age/hardness chart somewhere.
When I was shooting my 45-70 I would cast my bullets during the winter, dropping them from the mold into a bucket of cold water (with a  towel in the bottom to reduce battering)  I would then let them air dry and seal them in ziploc vacuum bags in batches of 100 and store them in a freezer. (being single, bags of bullets in the freezer with the venison wasn't an issue) 
Prior to a match I'd take an adequate supply out, put them in a pie pan and warm them to about 200 degrees for an hour, air cool, and then pan lube.
 My idea was that specific batch would be of a reasonably uniform hardness.   
Who knows it might have actually helped my scores, if the moon was right and I was holding my tongue in just the right part of my cheek.
Now that I'm working my way back into center fire shooting I may resume that practice.

I wonder how long the commercial cast bullet mfgs hold their cast and lubed packaged bullets in inventory.  Inventory economics must have a lot to do with it.
  

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Re: Storage Life Bullets
Reply #7 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 8:52am
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Bullet castings will last forever the temper will change over time. Lead : tin alloys will soften while lead : tin : antimony will harden over time. If you add lube to the bullets how long they will last depends on the lube. I have found that adding lanolin to lube formulas will extend the life of any lube. As stated earlier some lubes are either slightly acidic or alkaline, this will eat into bullets overtime. 
  Charlie Dell did experiments for years with different alloys and heat treatment processes to try and stabilize lead alloys. He never could and finally went back to 25:1 lead / tin.

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Reply #8 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 1:21pm
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Thanks for the info guys.  My first and last episode for molding .32-40 (Hoch 210gr non-tapered) was a dismal failure with 50% thrown back in.  This winter I plan of making a large batch and beating up anyone who disturbs my concentration.
  
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Reply #9 - Dec 24th, 2013 at 10:37am
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Cajun, those new to casting often make a mistake. That is they try to evaluate every bullet. I see them dropping a bullet on a towel or pad and then rolling it around checking it. While this is going on the Mold is cooling off. Then they cast another, same process. Casting needs to be done as a steady state process. You get the mold up to casting temperature and once you see well filled out bases you just keep going. Cast, drop bullet when sprue is hard, close mold and sprue plate, cast again. The faster you can make the cycle work the better off you will be and the Bullet quality will settle out. You can inspect later when they are cold. Either by visual or by weight depending on how fussy you wish to be, Bench or offhand. HTH Regards, FITZ. Smiley
  

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Reply #10 - Dec 24th, 2013 at 11:43am
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Fitz nailed it, once you start don't stop and go as quickly as possible. His advice on casting several years back is what got me started on the right path to match quality bullets while using a ladle.

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Reply #11 - Dec 30th, 2013 at 2:07pm
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Unlubed bullets should be fine..just be careful where you store them.  I have had fresh-cast bullets become badly oxidized in less than a year stored in oak boxes.  Same with damp basements, etc.  Ziplock bags with dessicant should help.
  
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