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Re: To drill & tap or not to drill & tap
Reply #30 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 7:53pm
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Louis.  I have two Darr 190 gr molds. Both are tapered. Chuck Bordman has two Darr 190 gr molds. Both tapered.  Didn't know Barry made a straight version.

Very accurate bullets in just about any .32.

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Reply #31 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 7:34am
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Not in this game for profit or loss, do have to do the math sometimes.

700 dollars you get a new barrel that's going to produce top results.  New you can go to faster twist and get better results. Some say a well done drill and tap won't hurt the value, I don't agree and most of us can spot Steve Earl's bocks on old rifles, find factory blocks it may be possible to fool buyers. Any noticeable alteration will hinder if not hurt re-sale.

Might not be absolutely equal new CPA barrel vs drilling original barrel cost vs value. Depends on how nice your 44 1/2 is. & Factoring in how much more the unaltered rifle with a 2nd new barrel would sell for.

Too many Stevens have been changed, they are not making any more better to leave nice Original alone

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Reply #32 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 7:51am
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JLouis, 

Again good advice. Thank you. Sent an email to CPA, and awaiting reply. If all goes as planned I will be making a visit at CPA sometime within the next week. Will be looking at a Douglas XX barrel 28" long in #4 round contour. Will have to see what they have for bullet mold. Would like to have them slug the barrel for me as I'm sure they have had more experince than I in doing such. 

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Reply #33 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 9:43am
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boats wrote on Nov 17th, 2013 at 7:34am:
...most of us can spot Steve Earl's bocks on old rifles, find factory blocks it may be possible to fool buyers....   Boats



Point of using Earl's blocks wouldn't be to "fool buyers" (who said anything about selling?) but to avoid using--for one's personal satisfaction--blocks that were obviously "foreign" to Stevens rifles.  Not that most potential buyers would even be aware of the difference--and there was a time when I wasn't either: a block was a block.   

The problem with gaining knowledge about anything is that it usually makes life "harder."  Once I was happy to have new Unertl scopes on all my SS, & thought nothing of the inconsistency between an old rifle & a new scope.  But over time that inconsistency began to worry me, until eventually (over about 20 yrs) I replaced every Unertl with a Stevens scope--5 of them at present.  (On Winchesters went Winchester scopes.) No, the optics aren't as bright, but they're plenty good enough.  And since I plan to be buried with all these guns, I'm certainly not concerned about "fooling" anybody.
  
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Reply #34 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 11:07am
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  And since I plan to be buried with all these guns, I'm certainly not concerned about "fooling" anybody.


And where did you say the family cemetery burial lots are located ?      Cool

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Reply #35 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 11:26am
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And where did you say the family cemetery burial lots are located ?      Cool

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Reply #36 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 11:57am
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One thing I've noticed on most Stevens single shot rifles that came factory D&T for scopes is they didn't usually have a dovetail in the barrel for a rear sight base. So if you were to D&T the gun it would have both dovetail and scope holes, and not really be quite what Stevens usually did.
I'd make up a base that fit into the rear barrel dovetail, and then a scope rib that could mount to that, and also use some epoxy to add to strength. The combination would be very strong, and not likely to get bumped off, but still keep the gun original.
I've got a couple old Rem. Rolling Blocks that weren't D&T for a tang sight and I've always wished they were. I know I could D&T the tangs in the perfect location, but I hesitate to alter them, even if nobody but me would know.
  

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Reply #37 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 1:49pm
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This fix is on a my Rem 33 bolt action 22 but, is simular to Marlinguy's advice. I used a front sight dovetail mount for a Olympic type front sight, in the 33's rear dovetail. Aligned the rear scope block with one of my scope adaptors and clamped it in place. Then let the expoy set over night.

You don't get the freedom for placement, fore and aft or spacing of the blocks this way but, there is no modification and a solid front block mount. The front block is the one that takes what recoil there is.

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Reply #38 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 2:42pm
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marlinguy wrote on Nov 17th, 2013 at 11:57am:
One thing I've noticed on most Stevens single shot rifles that came factory D&T for scopes is they didn't usually have a dovetail in the barrel for a rear sight base. So if you were to D&T the gun it would have both dovetail and scope holes, and not really be quite what Stevens usually did.


Well, what about Stevens owners who bought their guns before Stevens began building scopes in 1902, or who "had to think awhile" before shelling out for a scope that cost half as much, or more, than their gun?  Might they not have returned their barrels for D&T?  Or even if they were drilled by some local gunsmith, how much less "original" is such a gun?   

First Stevens mounts weren't attached by blocks--they were screwed directly to the brl., so the owner had to be fairly committed to the use of a scope.  Detachable mounts & blocks came in 1904--in fact, Stevens invented them.
  
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Reply #39 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 3:06pm
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I took a piece of flat stock, welded a block on to one end, dovetailed it and slid it in to the sight dovetail. The other end I drilled a hole in and threaded it 6-48 and used a set screw in it to stabilize that end. This worked great for a 25-20 low wall, was very accurate and did no harm to the barrel. The dovetailed block also had a set screw in it to keep it from moving. Higher power cartridges might not make it with this set up, but it sure worked well for the 25-20 low wall Winchester 1885.   Jerry Andrews
  
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Reply #40 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 3:48pm
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First Stevens mounts weren't attached by blocks--they were screwed directly to the brl., so the owner had to be fairly committed to the use of a scope.  Detachable mounts & blocks came in 1904--in fact, Stevens invented them.

Stevens also made their No. 1 mounts that went into the existing sight dovetails, so you didn't need to drill and tap the barrel, though you did need to use a full length scope, which was available.

I suppose that what you do depends on whether you consider the rifle to be a tool used to do a job, a common attitude back then and to a certain extent  now, or if you feel that a 95% plus condition rifle that they just don't make anymore should be used and enjoyed but readily able to be returned to its original unaltered configuration if you decide to pass it on sometime down the road.

In the end, it's your rifle, do as you please, but I personally won't pay high dollar for extra holes.

  

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Reply #41 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 3:51pm
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I took a piece of flat stock, welded a block on to one end, dovetailed it and slid it in to the sight dovetail. The other end I drilled a hole in and threaded it 6-48 and used a set screw in it to stabilize that end. This worked great for a 25-20 low wall, was very accurate and did no harm to the barrel. The dovetailed block also had a set screw in it to keep it from moving. Higher power cartridges might not make it with this set up, but it sure worked well for the 25-20 low wall Winchester 1885.   Jerry Andrews


Jeeze, this sounds exactly like the gizmo I illustrated with a photo some time ago.  Can't remember what thread it was placed it, so I don't know how to retrieve the photo.
  
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Reply #42 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 4:27pm
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So if you have a Stevens that was not originaly drilled and tapped and the fellow took it to say Schoyen or one of the other highly regarded barrel / rifle builders of the day and had one of them D&T it would the rifle then be worth more as a collectible or less. Another scenerio would if the owner sent it back to Stevens to D&T for one of their scopes would it then be worth less and how could one tell who actually did the work the first group mentioned or the factory?

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Reply #43 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 5:56pm
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John value is what the gun will bring.    I would like to have a nice 44 1/2. Have passed on more than one with alterations.  Everybody won't see it the same way, however I think most dealers will confirm drilling and reproduction blocks will make it much more difficult to sell

Name maker well documeted period blocks perhaps not.

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Reply #44 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 6:46pm
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BP wrote on Nov 17th, 2013 at 3:48pm:

Stevens also made their No. 1 mounts that went into the existing sight dovetails, so you didn't need to drill and tap the barrel, though you did need to use a full length scope, which was available.



For anything but shooting off a bench, a FL scope is highly impractical.  Over the years I've had two of them which I tried using for squirrel & woodchuck hunting (hardly arduous sports), but found the handling of them just too aggravating.

Still have a FL Favorite model (scope not gun) which was the cheapest scope Stevens made, pretty dim except in full sun, and the #1 mounts are simply primitive.  Despite the convenience of mounting a FL, I think any serious shooter of the time would have avoided it.
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