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MarTay6
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Newbie question- help w/die set for 6.5m Creedmoor
Nov 10th, 2013 at 2:52pm
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Hi, All-
I'm building a 6.5 Creedmoor based on a Savage Target Action- tuned/trued- with a Brux barrel. My first foray into handloading, I'd rather buy a good set of dies up front- and not have to upgrade at a later date. I'm not going to be a high-volume reloader, and am not planning on going with a progressive press at this time- will probably never load more than 100 rounds at a session. And right now, only in this caliber. 
I think I've kind of narrowed my selection down to these:
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With the Whidden's, which setup do I need? Would I want the bushing- or non-bushing sizer die? What's the difference between the two? Is the micrometer seater worth the extra $$$'s? I don't mind spending money to get the best- but I don't want to waste money, either. I want to load accurate ammo- and work to develop loads- but I'm not going to be a competition level shooter, either. I am my own competitor, I guess you could say!!
Any comments/thoughts/further suggestions?? 
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Wes
  
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Re: Newbie question- help w/die set for 6.5m Creedmoor
Reply #1 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 3:26pm
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First; Welcome!

Second, I should point out that this is not really a forum for bolt-action rifles... though many here "cross polinate" from Single Shots to bolt actions...

I would go with the bushing style die. Bushing dies use a replaceable bushing to size the neck of the case. THis lets you choose the bushing size that works BEST with your particular batch of brass. It controls the amount of neck-tension on the bullet.
Down side is you'll probably spend $100 trying a couple different sizes of bushings to find the perfect one.

Next, the micrometer seating dies are DEFINITELY worthwhile for seating bullets on precision reloads.

Don't have time right now to read those links and give you a specific suggestion - but I will try to later.

Again, WELCOME and we're going to hold you at water-pistol point until you buy a decent Single Shot rifle!  I suggest a Winchester High Wall myself... but that's me.   Cheesy

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Re: Newbie question- help w/die set for 6.5m Creedmoor
Reply #2 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 3:40pm
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Hi, Paul-
And THANKS for the welcome- in spite of my question might perhaps be perceived to be misplaced- but IN MY DEFENSE, it is a single shot bolt action!!  Wink
Besides, everyone knows that the most knowledge/experience resides with those who don't need more than one shot to hit their target... so that's why I came here for advice. (I'm also putting together a Thompson Center Contender in .223... I know... that's just a popgun to you guys!)
Yes, I'd definitely appreciate it if you could look at those 3 dies and make any suggestions or recommendations... They all 3 look like good options to me, just not experienced enough to make the best choice. 
Definitely in love with those Winchester High Wall's.. Of course, I'm sure you're referring to originals~ *s* I just recently learned of the 'reproduction' Brownings/Winchesters, and think they're beautiful rifles.. might get myself one for a retirement present next year... but who knows, I may evolve further to the oldies by then!
Wes
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Re: Newbie question- help w/die set for 6.5m Creedmoor
Reply #3 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 5:02pm
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No turning-bolt actions here. With or without a hammer.

That said, I use a Whidden FL sizing die for my 6.5x47L F-Class rifle and think it is a fine piece of gear.
  

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Re: Newbie question- help w/die set for 6.5m Creedmoor
Reply #4 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 5:52pm
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Wes;
The High Wall doesn't have to be original.... repro's are welcome here!  As SSShooter says, them turning-bolt's... um.. not so much. Wink

The Midway link seems dead (at least right now)... 
I don't know anything about Whidden's custom dies, but the Redding die set from LRPrecision is what I would go with.  I LIKE Redding dies, and have had excellent luck with them.
If, however, Whidden happens to use the same chamber dimensions/reamer for their dies as your barrel was chambered with - it may be a better bet.

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Reply #5 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 6:06pm
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Sorry about the Midway link... here it is again- 
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Hope that works. 
Again, sorry for intruding into a wrong forum! Funny... I was just watching a bit of a show this afternoon on the history between the LA Gangs the Blood's and the Crip's... guess I know how it feels to get caught in the wrong neighborhood! At least you guys aren't shooting at me! (Amazing the TV shows one finds when confined to a recliner/recuperating from foot surgery!) 
Paul- how would I determine the chamber dimensions from the barrel I'm getting- and the dimensions from the Whidden dies- write each of them and ask? 
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Reply #6 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 6:16pm
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I own too few sets of Hornady dies to "grade" them properly... So I can't comment.  My 8.15x46R dies are Hornady, and I have no complaints.
Aside from that, they would be considered a "standard" die set. Probably fine, but the Bushing die, and the Micrometer seating die (whether Redding, or another brands similar offering) will give you more control of your loaded rounds, should you choose to excercise it.

This is a far friendlier forum than some.... one gun forum I used to frequent (non-single shot), they would just outright ban someone if they didn't like the question. No warning, just "off to the cornfield with you".   

Hmm.. I wonder, could 6.5 Creedmoor be put in a High Wall?  Smiley
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 6:19pm
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Oops.. forgot to answer the last question...

Sorta depends on who cut the chamber in that barrel?
Your smith? Brux Barrels? 
It PROBABLY won't matter much, as long as it's a quality chambering job... and using a Brux barrel shows decent taste.

The Widden dies may be just the ticket... but I can't really comment, not having used 'em.

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Re: Newbie question- help w/die set for 6.5m Creedmoor
Reply #8 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 6:29pm
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Paul-
The chamber's being cut by Sharp Shooter Supply, the same one who's doing the true & time job on the action... I imagine I can get the info as to the chamber reamer dimensions from them, Lisa's been very helpful in my dealings with them. The round sounds like a pretty good choice for me... a round that it's not difficult to get good accuracy out of- I decided it'd be a good choice for me with my inexperience. I'd think it'd be a good round in any action. Before I decided to this route with this gun, I was strongly studying the EAB rifle... not quite sure why I digressed in the direction I did.... but I'm still VERY interested in a falling block-actioned rifle... very. 
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Reply #9 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 7:59pm
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Ah.. you're in good hands with Sharp Shooters Supply...
They (I have heard) can be slow with delivery, but they do quality work.
Wouldn't hurt to ask 'em what dies they recommend!
  
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Re: Newbie question- help w/die set for 6.5m Creedmoor
Reply #10 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 8:07pm
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... you're in good hands with Sharp Shooters Supply ... they do quality work.

Ditto, plus I'd bet $$ Fred from SSS could provide with the exact chamber dimensions.
  

All of my single shots shoot one tiny ragged hole with cast bullets ... it's just the following shots that tend to open up my groups Wink ...
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Reply #11 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 8:34pm
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I know that Fred has a great reputation. I'm more concerned with quality than immediate gratification. I'm willing to wait for a quality product. Fred & Lisa had some recent health problems that slowed them down, but they're back on track. 
Same reason I waited for 6 months for a White Oaks barrel... and still waiting on the return of my A2 upper from them for sight work- they're the best at what they do. 
Asking Fred for die recommendations is an OUTSTANDING idea... thanks! I hadn't thought of that. 
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Re: Newbie question- help w/die set for 6.5m Creedmoor
Reply #12 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 10:36pm
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You might get more answers about 6.5 Creedmoor on this site.
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Reply #13 - Nov 11th, 2013 at 5:57am
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Not sure why you recommended that forum- it is STRICTLY about the matches at Camp Perry... Thanks anyway... 
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Re: Newbie question- help w/die set for 6.5m Creedmoor
Reply #14 - Nov 11th, 2013 at 9:06am
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If you want to compare Chamber Dim's with Die Dim's you can make a ferrosafe cast of both. When you have both in hand remember they should not be the same, die has to size smaller than the chamber.

However the easy way to go is use a bushing neck size die and forget about the rest. Once the brass is fire formed no need to go back to the F/L dies. Long as it will chamber with the F/L die size first time it's all that's important.

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