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John Boy Ex Member	Russ Weber v Plugged Case Breech Seater Oct 25^th, 2013 at 4:15pm	Print Post
	I currently use plugged cases for the 32-40 in a CPA and 22LR (BP reloads) for any SS rifle. Next venture will be breech seated 45-70's in a '74 Sharps and '85 HiWall. Which seater? Plugged Case or Russ Weber's or both?


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rkaires Frequent Elocutionist Offline No Stronger Bond Posts: 1633 Location: Dingmans Ferry, PA Joined: Oct 26^th, 2012	Re: Russ Weber v Plugged Case Breech Seater Reply #1 - Oct 25^th, 2013 at 6:08pm	Print Post
	I used a plugged case in my CPA for a while and had decent accuracy with my bullet/load combination. I started using a Weber seater a few months ago with the same load experienced a noticeable decrease in group sizes. Its possible I was becoming more familiar with my rifle but I feel the accuracy improvement was do to using the Weber seater. Everything else was the same when using the plugged case. Bob

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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Russ Weber v Plugged Case Breech Seater Reply #2 - Oct 25^th, 2013 at 8:27pm	Print Post
	a plugged case, even one with an adjustable depth plug, relies on the camming action of the breech-block movement to force the plugged case and bullet into the throat of the chamber to the set depth. on some actions this works really well, Stevens being one as I recall. However Winchester and others, where the levered block moves perpendicular to the breech face of the chamber, generates very little camming action unless the top edge of the block is beveled. And even then it is seldom enough to seat a bullet full length into the throat. thats why push. lever, cam, and toggle style mechanical seaters were developed.

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 2748 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Russ Weber v Plugged Case Breech Seater Reply #3 - Oct 25^th, 2013 at 8:48pm	Print Post
	Here is my home made adjustable plug seater the pencilcad drawing showing its components. The photo of the case shows it extended to 2.42" when flush it is 2.15". In my Ballard the tapered Saeco bullet can be almost thumb seated when flush so camming works fine. Other bullets need the mechanical stirrup seater I use.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11458 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Russ Weber v Plugged Case Breech Seater Reply #4 - Oct 25^th, 2013 at 9:45pm	Print Post
	Plugged case or precision breech seater. I cant tell the difference. Not good enough at shooting groups. The breech seater with bullet held in a case, should be more accurate. Should. Joe.

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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Russ Weber v Plugged Case Breech Seater Reply #5 - Oct 25^th, 2013 at 10:09pm	Print Post
	a whole lot depends on the variables of chamber/throat and bullet design and the alloy. A bullet with a lot of forward bore rider surface and short fat groove-plus back end will seat easier than a complete nose to driving band taper where a bunch of ridges have to be forced into the rifling. A harder alloy as often used for some high velocity loads requires a seater with good leverage and a longer handle---or a 4 pound hammer

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