I was going to suggest THE BREECH LOADING MATCH RIFLE by Roberts and Waters. But a quick check on line shows even the Wolfe reprint at close to 200.00.
Might as well wait for Tom Rowes three sets of books on Pope for 250.00 a set.

Tom_Trevor assra life no.71 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:


I was all set to offer my copy of the Wolfe reprint (since I also have the original ed.) for the "bargain" price of $100, but I checked Abe & found several copies in the $80-90 range; that's still higher than I'd have thought, though this work is so indispensable that even $200 wouldn't be too much to pay if no cheaper copy were available.

By 1903 Hudson was already well known enough for using the new smokeless powders that he arleady had designed the Hudson style bullet and it was in production by Ideal. Also George Schoyen was advertising that he would do the special throating on rifles so they could be used with the Hudson bullet. 
  It would seem that Hudson had been working with smokeless powders somewhere between 1893 when they were introduced in America and 1903 when Hudson made the statement. Somewhere I remember that he started  in 1897 or 1898 but I can't find it. Or it may be a brain fart. Either way it seems logical that Hudson at least was shooting the new powders prior to 1903.

Early on the first smokeless powders proved to be corrosive also, and some shooters found their bores damaged by the early smokeless, which set back the smokeless powder change for many shooters.
Later changes in the makeup of smokeless made it less corrosive and shooters gravitated toward it again when it proved to be non corrosive.

On a similar note, did Pope and his likes ever go to breech seating or did they always load from the muzzle?  When did breechseating get its start? Bob

Just read in Maj. N. Roberts book how many duplex loads were used following the advent of smokeless powdah ...

Charlie, I believe the Pope measure came before Stevens. Case in point . My Hartford Pope outfit came with a Pope measure. Also all the Pope measures I have seen the Powder measure body was made from a Powdered Chocklate canister can modified to fit the base casting and the lid is kind of crude. Don't think Stevens would have any of that on a product carrying their name. Pope was a frugal person and would not have wasted effort on something he could purchase and convert. By the way to those who questioned the breech seating  process. I have a Schoyen Muzzle loading outfit .33-40. When I first got it I had no bullets that would Breech seat reasonably. But a number of freinds offered Muzzle loading sized bullets. Just for fun I tried them with Smokeless loads. They shot superbly. Just loaded them from the muzzle and loaded the charged case at the breech and shot them.
Food for thought as everyone I know thinks that Muzzle Loading with smokeless won't work. Regards, FITZ.